Faulty/Undesirable Colors

Lyzelle

Active Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2012
Messages
2,826
Likes
0
Points
36
Location
Colorado
#1
What coat colors or patterns are not allowed or faulted in your breed? What colors or patterns are undesirable? I thought it would be neat to see all the taboos of our breed's coat colors all in one spot!

I guess I'll start.

Siberian Husky
Allowed Colors - All naturally-occurring colors to the Sibe are allowed.
Not allowed - Recessive red, Merle, albinism and roaning/ticking do not exist in the Sibe. Any dogs displaying these colors are usually products of outcrosses to other breeds, mistakenly or otherwise.
Anything else - There aren't any colors that are "undesirable" but there are a lot of uncommon colors, like tan point/black and tan without white and saddle back. Solid colored dogs aren't too terribly common, either. No colors are linked to health issues. Pinto in the Sibe does NOT cause deafness.
 

Romy

Taxiderpy
Joined
Dec 2, 2006
Messages
10,233
Likes
1
Points
38
Location
Olympia, WA
#2
In borzoi everything is allowed, but merle doesn't exist in the breed.

Liver and blue exist. I've never ever seen or heard of a liver dog though. They're acceptable, but not as desirable because they're supposed to have black nose and lip pigment with black eye rims and dark eyes. That said, plenty of nice blue dogs have finished their CHs so it's not that big of a deal.

The most common colors I see are anything with white spotting. Tricolor, red, gold, cream, and sable. Less common are brindle, sable, and self colors. Dominant self black and silver sable are probably the two rarest. I still can't believe Kaia had six silver sables.
 

Shai

& the Muttly Crew
Joined
Dec 14, 2009
Messages
6,215
Likes
0
Points
36
#3
For Flat-coats:

AKC Breed Standard said:
Disqualification-- Yellow, cream or any color other than black or liver.
So black, liver, or no breed ring.

In reality, yellow's the only color seen besides black and liver. From back in the days when they split yellow off to Golden Retrievers. They still pop up periodically because it's a recessive but it's just an incredibly small portion of the breed that carries yellow that it doesn't happen very often. Besides there's a gene test for yellow so folks can check if it's something they want to avoid.
 
Last edited:

CatStina

SBT Lover!!
Joined
Oct 5, 2012
Messages
634
Likes
0
Points
0
Location
USA
#5
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Colors Red, Fawn, Black, Blue, White, any shade of Brindle or any of these colors and white (Pied).
Undesirable Black and Tan (the pattern) and Liver.

Merle is not mentioned in the standard, but would definitely be a disqualification as it is not found in the breed and would only show up as a result of mixing.

ETA: Though B&T and Liver are disqualifications in the breed, they occasionally show up in litters. This doesn't mean the dogs are mixed, but they can't be shown and should not be bred.
 
Joined
Jan 6, 2012
Messages
834
Likes
0
Points
0
#6
In Pems, excessive white, or Blues. Pretty much other colors like Merle don't exist, although a recent trend in BYBing has been to create them (through cross breeding obviously, or just cutting tails on Cardi's). I've found two written accounts of Brindle in Pems, but it hasn't occurred to my knowledge in over 50-60 years, obviously it isn't allowed now if it did show up at random.

Beauceron are only allowed in two colors, Black with tan-rust markings, and "Harlequin" (merle really) with tan-rust markings. Excessive white happens in Harlequins even with careful breeding, in either color they aren't allowed more than a spot on the chest about the size of a quarter. Although they use to appear in other colors including fawn and solid black, those colors haven't been seen since the first breed club formed in the early 1900's, and they cut down the number of colors allowing just the two. However, Blue does also pop up on a very rare occasion, it isn't allowed to be shown. I've read about Red, but the only dog I've ever seen in that color looked very obviously half Dobie and had no known (or at least, shared) information on his origin.
 
Joined
Feb 4, 2008
Messages
7,099
Likes
1
Points
38
Location
Illinois
#7
Since Koolies are a purely working breed pretty much every color is accepted.

It used to be thought to be a Koolie it needed to be merle and that if it was solid it was a cross but luckily most breeders are changing their tune. Sometimes certain colors will raise eyes in question of a possible cross such as brindle but from what I understand pretty much if it can happen it's cool.
 

elegy

overdogged
Joined
Apr 22, 2006
Messages
7,720
Likes
1
Points
0
#8
ETA: Though B&T and Liver are disqualifications in the breed, they occasionally show up in litters. This doesn't mean the dogs are mixed, but they can't be shown and should not be bred.
For some things, I understand this-- merle, for example. Albino Dobes. But for something like black and tan or liver... what is the benefit of selecting against that?
 

elegy

overdogged
Joined
Apr 22, 2006
Messages
7,720
Likes
1
Points
0
#9
Border Collies may come in any color or pattern, though "white should not predominate".

APBTs may be any color or color combination except merle.
 

Keechak

Aussie Obssessed
Joined
Jun 2, 2012
Messages
770
Likes
0
Points
16
Location
Wisconsin
#10
In Aussies bb Liver(known in the breed as "Red") and BB Black are allowed, also either of those two colors can be merled (known as "Red Merle" on a Liver dog or "Blue Merle" on a Black dog).
All base colors can also come optionally with white irish markings or tan points with no preference.

Sable was originally found in the breed but was made a disqualification due to the merle gene being difficult to see on a sable dog. White patches on the body from the elbows on back are also a DQ as it was believed at the time that this was tied to white patches on the head which can cause deafness. We now know however that white on the head is controlled by a different set of genes than the white on the body.
 

Brattina88

Active Member
Joined
Jan 10, 2004
Messages
12,958
Likes
6
Points
38
Location
OH
#11
well... I haven't been very active with the breed like I was... but...

Cockers are interesting because they're broken up into the three color categories. Black, ASCOB (Any Solid Color Other than Black) and Parti.
Black Variety-Solid color black to include black with tan points. The black should be jet; shadings of brown or liver in the coat are not desirable. A small amount of white on the chest and/or throat is allowed; white in any other location shall disqualify.

ASCOB -ranging from lightest cream to darkest red, including brown and brown with tan points. The color shall be of a uniform shade, but lighter color of the feathering is permissible. A small amount of white on the chest and/or throat is allowed; white in any other location shall disqualify.

Parti-Color Variety -Two or more solid, well broken colors, one of which must be white; black and white, red and white (the red may range from lightest cream to darkest red), brown and white, and roans, to include any such color combination with tan points. It is preferable that the tan markings be located in the same pattern as for the tan points in the Black and ASCOB varieties. Roans are classified as parti-colors and may be of any of the usual roaning patterns. Primary color which is ninety percent (90%) or more shall disqualify.

Tan Points--The color of the tan may be from the lightest cream to the darkest red and is restricted to ten percent (10%) or less of the color of the specimen; tan markings in excess of that amount shall disqualify. In the case of tan points in the Black or ASCOB variety, the markings shall be located as follows:

1) A clear tan spot over each eye;
2) On the sides of the muzzle and on the cheeks;
3) On the underside of the ears;
4) On all feet and/or legs;
5) Under the tail;
6) On the chest, optional; presence or absence shall not be penalized.

Tan markings which are not readily visible or which amount only to traces, shall be penalized. Tan on the muzzle which extends upward, over and joins shall also be penalized. The absence of tan markings in the Black or ASCOB variety in any of the specified locations in any otherwise tan-pointed dog shall disqualify.
Roan colors in American Cockers are:
Blue Roan-Which is basicly a black and white parti where the individual black hairs intermingles
with white which often gives a bluish appearance.
Brown Roan, Chocolate Roan or Liver Roan-Brown and white parti with brown hairs intermingled in the white
Orange Roan..sometimes called Red Roan & Strawberry Roan-Which is a red and white parti with red hairs intermingled in the white
All 3 can also have tan points, although you generally won't really see the tan points in a red roan
There are NO health issues associated with the roan gene.
I've seen sable and merle cockers, but they're not an acceptable show color and very controverisial depending on who you're talking to in the breed.
 

momto8

New Member
Joined
Jul 5, 2011
Messages
792
Likes
0
Points
0
#12
Ibizan- any color other than red and white is a disqualification.

Great Pyrenees- coat is white and can have markings of badger, gray, or various shades of tan. Acceptable colors other than white covering 1/3 of the body is a fault.

Collie- there are 4 accepted colors in Collies tri- color, sable and white, blue merle and white.

Boston- they must be black, seal or brindle with white markings. Required markings on the boston are White blaze between the eyes, white forechest and white muzzle band.

Aussie-they can be blue merle, red merle, red and black ( with or without white markings and tan markings ). They should have color patches covering eyes and ears.
Disqualifications are white body splashes.
 

CatStina

SBT Lover!!
Joined
Oct 5, 2012
Messages
634
Likes
0
Points
0
Location
USA
#13
For some things, I understand this-- merle, for example. Albino Dobes. But for something like black and tan or liver... what is the benefit of selecting against that?
What I've heard is that B&T is dominant and it could eventually lead to the breed becoming mostly B&T. I've also heard that it's a sign that another breed has been mixed in because B&T isn't found in bulldogs. Though it is found in some terriers, so that doesn't make sense to me. Whatever the case is, that's the standard. Why aren't Dobermans and Rotties allowed to be colours other than B&T? Why must the Dogue de Bordeaux be fawn? Why can't Mastiffs be piebald? Why? It's the standard.
 

Laura1

New Member
Joined
Oct 20, 2012
Messages
8
Likes
0
Points
0
Location
Canada
#15
Poodles can come in any solid color, however parti colours are not allowed in the show ring.

Cairn terriers can be any color except white. Darker muzzles are more desirable.
 

MandyPug

Sport Model Pug
Joined
Aug 17, 2009
Messages
5,332
Likes
0
Points
36
Age
32
Location
Southern Alberta
#17
Pugs come in Fawn with a black mask and Black with a black mask. Fawn includes everything from white to a darker apricot colour. Any other colour, including brindle, is a disqualification. As well as a heavy trace or "smutty fawn" (where lots of dark hairs are interspersed throughout the coat) and white larger than a dime on the chest of blacks is undesirable. Heavy, non-defined masks are also not desirable.
 

Gypsydals

New Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2008
Messages
2,804
Likes
0
Points
0
#18
Accepted colors are
Black and White
Liver and white are the two accepted colors.
DQs are
patches of any color,
brindle,
blue,
sable,
orange,
lemmon(yellow)
and any color/pattern I missed.

Blue eyes are considered a fault but not a DQ.
 

Saeleofu

Active Member
Joined
Oct 9, 2009
Messages
9,036
Likes
0
Points
36
#19
Collies come in tricolor, sable and white, blue merle, and sable merle. All have white markings, sometime enough white to make them color-headed whites. Double-merle whites are frowned upon of course. I've seen some pretty gorgeous markings - some from merle, some from just white markings.
 

Lyzelle

Active Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2012
Messages
2,826
Likes
0
Points
36
Location
Colorado
#20
Accepted colors are
Black and White
Liver and white are the two accepted colors.
DQs are
patches of any color,
brindle,
blue,
sable,
orange,
lemmon(yellow)
and any color/pattern I missed.

Blue eyes are considered a fault but not a DQ.
What breed?
 

Members online

No members online now.
Top