Returning a dog to the breeder - Questions/Rant

At a certain point you need to know your audience and their history.

After spending years around this stuff, avoiding other forum drama, it's no shock who's defensive of the OP.

Sometimes you just cut the fat out and move forward, giving up convincing the stubborn, and work to prevent a reoccurrence.

Tahlzk, I have no issue with conviction but when it becomes blind there are issues.

Even as her friend you should be able to see the mounting evidence for what it is. And as her friend I would think you might be concerned the puppy was able to get to this point in her care and what might have allowed her neglect.

I wish I could've been that puppy's new home.

Me too. Thought that from the get go.

Same. Totally devoted little boy I just don't get why that isn't something you want. I can get wanting a certain type of personality. But to judge a baby that harsh is just out of my realm of comprehension.

People who are accused wrongly of something are generally able to overcome it with their strong reputation and a sound argument and evidence in their own defense. They rally and keep moving forward, perhaps a bit the worse for wear, but they survive and bounce back. Their reputations are not destroyed by one or two naysayers, as others are able to see the truth and draw their own conclusions independent of what the whistle-blower is saying.

To make a baby puppy end up looking like that is sickening. I don't know how you could do that to a baby puppy.

this!!!!

This kind of thinking is just as sick as the kind of thinking that can let a baby puppy starve.
“Oh, I know he molested one child, but the other kids in the house are ok.â€
“Oh, I know she burns the one kid with cigarettes, but she only burns the youngest, the others are fine.â€
“Oh, I know she starved a defenseless puppy, but I’m sure the other dogs are fine with her.â€

Yes, to “A Child Called Itâ€. People who abuse animals do not behave and think normally. If they can do it to one animal/person, the others are in equal danger.

It doesn’t do the victims and potential victims any good to stick your fingers in your ears and sing “lalalalala, I can’t hear you†in the face of real evidence of abuse.

Tahlzk, neither you nor Barbara are being good friends. What you’re doing is called enabling and it can be as destructive as doing the abuse yourselves.
A real friend doesn’t excuse and defend indefensible behavior. A real friend takes the sick friend aside, says “what the *bleep* is going on with you?†and gets the friend the help they need. Barring that, they remove any potential victims from their care and tell the friend to get lost until they’re ready to face the music and make real change.

I wonder what the statute of limitations is...could criminal charges be pressed if the breeder was willing?

I just looked it up and in california it is 4 years for animal cruelty.

Edited: Ok maybe it's just one year... Everything I'm finding conflicting with each other.

This may be one of the saddest things I've read...

That is REVOLTING to even say that.

The guy who hoarded the 80+ dogs on a bus and trailer both loose and in cages, hungry and covered in their own feces had no previous offenses. My dog thankfully was spared that as she was born after the seizure by authorities, but DOZENS upon dozens were not.

Do more dogs deserve to endure this?!? And this is one of the less horrifying pics...


The caption this dog's owner put on this pic explains that she still is not comfortable having anyone near her and they just kinda feed her and let her come and go as she pleases. That kind of severe psychological damage from animal abuse is, to me at least, horrifying.


And I get to spend the next 10-12yrs wanting to punch that abuser that hoarded and allowed those dogs to breed every single time my dog cringes for no reason other than her poor genetics. She is one of the sweetest dog's I know, but she has to live with this HORRIBLE monkey on her back for life all because someone had a mental problem and abused some dogs.

So no, a first time offense for something as serious as starving an innocent baby animal for NO GOOD REASON should not be taken lightly NOR excused as well oops just don't get caught again! It is disgusting to me that anyone would suggest otherwise. Its not fair for innocent animals bodies and psyches to be destroyed by selfish individuals who refuse to seek professional help for their problems.

At least three of the other dogs have looked unhealthfully thin to me at various points in time. And I love seeing lean, athletic dogs, but there is a huge difference between in good shape and going over the line. This isn't the first time and I'm afraid it won't be the last.

Are we done here? I think this needs closed. We have the facts and word is being spread. Like Adrianne said, its good to know when to take things for what they are and move on.

I agree with you Smkie. I equal animal abuse/neglect to child abuse/neglect. Here in this state if the state takes your child from you for abuse/neglect then any children you have after that and sometimes older ones are also removed. Because in the states eyes you are not fit to have 1 child and if you have abused and neglected one you can do it to other children. I feel the same should be with pets.

Ok, I didn't mean ALL first offences should be allowed to own dogs again but I believe some are able to. Probably should have worded that right even though I'm sure none of you agree with that ether.

Not all animal abuse/neglect offenses should mean you shouldn't own pets... If you are my friend these rules shouldn't apply

the "breeders" that my two rescues were from that were reported & their dogs seized (puppy mills) they were also young pups, seized with their mothers but you'd think they lived their whole lives in that mill by the way they acted, reactive, afraid, genetic probs, the dobe i had (lady) died of cancer at 10. the shepherd (Clarice) i lost at 12 due to displasia.

so no, even a stable foster home life somtimes cant erase poor treatment. Buddy still has some abandoment issued frombeing dumped along some road & from his stent in the shelter before cattle dog rescue pulled him. I just hope this puop can rebound from his abuse... poor guy.

When I first saw this thread, I initially thought that was the dog in question, because of pictures posted earlier in the thread and not knowing just what a Fila was. The sighthound in the picture definitely was on the skinny side.

Yea exactly. Because I just KNOW that YOU won't do it again.

I'm not claiming to know anything about Saluki's but the ones claiming he is on the 'skinny' side, do you know anything about the working Saluki? And how fit they need to be for what Teal does with him?