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I guess I feel that just because something bothers me in public doesn't mean that its not "ok." I would think that it was weird, but not necessarily wrong. I'm also bothered by loud talkers, people who smell funny, people with visible nose hair, people with lots of ugly tattoos, people who are way too tan, smokers, etc. However, these things are part of living among other people. So my choices are to bitch about it, never leave the house, or pull up my big girl pants and learn to reframe my way of thinking and teach myself to get over things. The latter seems the most effective to me.....
Well I'm going to go on record as saying that I think letting your toddler age child slap your boobs around to the point that they are spraying milk in a coffee shop isn't ok. I really don't want to live in a world where nothing is ok.

Now having said that, we are all on the internet in a thread discussing breastfeeding in public, so I'm... discussing breastfeeding in public. That doesn't mean that in real life I don't get over things, not sure how people keep getting from A to B there. I'm sure whether I'm put off by someone's behavior wouldn't have any effect whatsoever on their lives even if they knew that I WAS put off, and me discussing it in the Hypothetical Land of the internet certainly isn't going to.
 

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Yes, I understand all of this and it kind of makes my point for me. It bothers me that the description of a story by a person who disagrees with the majority opinion is minimized, ignored, dismissed, or outright called an exaggeration while the dozens personal or eyewitness accounts of discreetly breastfeeding women shared in this thread aren't questioned at all. Nobody's saying "well I don't know that I believe your kid's head blocks your nipple."

There are obnoxious, irritating breastfeeding mothers just like there are obnoxious, irritating people of every demographic. If you actually want people who aren't very accepting of breastfeeding in public to be more accepting of it, selective hearing and minimizing obnoxious behavior doesn't help build any bridges. *shrug*
i mean idk any kids who head cant hide a nipple and if your kids doesnt :yikes: :rofl1:

I question because Ive seen people go off on someone saying its gross when they are USING A COVER I couldnt even tell the mom was breastfeeding until this guy made a stink about it. Ive had people come up to me and complain when you cant see any more then you can see of THEIR butt or boobs with my husband and others that were around saying that you could see more of them then me.
 
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i mean idk any kids who head cant hide a nipple and if your kids doesnt :yikes: :rofl1:
I was just using it as an example. :D

I question because Ive seen people go off on someone saying its gross when they are USING A COVER I couldnt even tell the mom was breastfeeding until this guy made a stink about it. Ive had people come up to me and complain when you cant see any more then you can see of THEIR butt or boobs with my husband and others that were around saying that you could see more of them then me.
And that makes a negative story untrue because... ??
 

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I was just using it as an example. :D



And that makes a negative story untrue because... ??
no but with the attitude shes presented it makes me question. Just like if someone said ALL choke collars are mean and said someone was hanging their dog correcting them would you really believe they were hanging them without some sort of proof?

Just an example of how you can breastfeed in public without the world seeing *gasp* boob skin without a cover.

*ignore the crappy picture, feeding a 3 mth old and trying to take a picture is not easy LOL
 

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First, can we please refrain from going off on tangents as to how much of "crap" formula is? I think we're all well aware that breast milk is best, but to refer to formula as the lowest of low forms of "crap" just further belittles and hurts mothers who truly had no other choice. I'm not trying to be mean, but the comments in this thread just go to show how "innocent" statements are slaps in the face to other parents. Why? Because if formula is such crap, and even puppies are fed better, what does that say about the mothers who feed it to their infants? Such an implication implies there was/is an alternative that was seemingly willfully ignored. Sure, I could've bought expressed breast milk from random strangers who bottle it and sell it, but I suppose we just couldn't afford the $3-6 per ounce that is charge for such (not to mention to real governing regulations/laws for the mothers nor complete testing of all donated milk). If women were forced to buy such, it would cost, on average, $9-18 per feeding for a single 3 oz. feeding, and $18-36 for a single 6 oz. feeding. I'm pretty sure not many people could afford such costly feedings, especially when an infant eats 6-8 times in a 24 hour period.
 
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no but with the attitude shes presented it makes me question. Just like if someone said ALL choke collars are mean and said someone was hanging their dog correcting them would you really believe they were hanging them without some sort of proof?

Well there are a couple of issues here. One, what in the world kind of proof is someone going to offer me for telling me they saw someone hang their dog correcting them? I don't really demand proof for every anecdote or story someone tells on the internet. I just either quietly believe them or not, most often assuming it is at least reasonably truthful unless the person has a history of being dishonest.

Two, does the person's opinion about choke collars as a whole automatically mean anything negative they say about them is a fabrication or exaggeration? Because then EVERYONE'S anecdotes about anything they feel strongly about (including breastfeeding mothers telling us how discreet they are*) is automatically suspect.



*Not that I don't believe people, just making the point.
 

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Breeze, am I wrong to say that I love that pic? Especially since Savannah is giving everyone the bird? :D :rofl1:
 

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Well I'm going to go on record as saying that I think letting your toddler age child slap your boobs around to the point that they are spraying milk in a coffee shop isn't ok. I really don't want to live in a world where nothing is ok.

Now having said that, we are all on the internet in a thread discussing breastfeeding in public, so I'm... discussing breastfeeding in public. That doesn't mean that in real life I don't get over things, not sure how people keep getting from A to B there. I'm sure whether I'm put off by someone's behavior wouldn't have any effect whatsoever on their lives even if they knew that I WAS put off, and me discussing it in the Hypothetical Land of the internet certainly isn't going to.
But why is it a breastfeeding issue? Why is it not a parent not controlling an obnoxious child issue?

Yes, I do think that the story sounds exaggerated. Why? Well, the poster telling clearly thinks that women who breastfeed in public need to cover themselves or hide in a corner. People are obviously more sensitive to things that offend them, therefore its going to be harder for them to be objective about it. I don't question that a baby's head covers a nipple because I've seen it happen.
 

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First, can we please refrain from going off on tangents as to how much of "crap" formula is? I think we're all well aware that breast milk is best, but to refer to formula as the lowest of low forms of "crap" just further belittles and hurts mothers who truly had no other choice. I'm not trying to be mean, but the comments in this thread just go to show how "innocent" statements are slaps in the face to other parents. Why? Because if formula is such crap, and even puppies are fed better, what does that say about the mothers who feed it to their infants? Such an implication implies there was/is an alternative that was seemingly willfully ignored. Sure, I could've bought expressed breast milk from random strangers who bottle it and sell it, but I suppose we just couldn't afford the $3-6 per ounce that is charge for such (not to mention to real governing regulations/laws for the mothers nor complete testing of all donated milk). If women were forced to buy such, it would cost, on average, $9-18 per feeding for a single 3 oz. feeding, and $18-36 for a single 6 oz. feeding. I'm pretty sure not many people could afford such costly feedings, especially when an infant eats 6-8 times in a 24 hour period.
I never meant to come across that way. I meant more people saying just bottle formula to go out when you CAN breastfeed. I have used formula twice and now am LUCKY that I get the chance to breastfeed as long as we have. I certainly dont mean to put down moms that do Ive been there and it sucks. With Bev I tried to pump and my boobs didnt work that way. We went as long as possible (like you did) but ended up having to switch. In fact now Savannah gets formula (although Im looking into making my own) but only AFTER she breastfeeds and only 2 ozs a feeding.

Sometimes moms cant and they shouldnt feel less then because they couldnt and if that comment made you feel that way I am truly sorry. I just meant it as people push feeding this and that dog food but then want to push babies to eat what isnt natural to them just because of where it comes from.
 

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Breeze, am I wrong to say that I love that pic? Especially since Savannah is giving everyone the bird? :D :rofl1:
I didn't actually disbelieve this, LOL. As I said, I was just using it as an example of a statement that's been made.
it wasnt meant for you sas. I get what you are saying completely. It was more to the people who are saying you have to cover to be discreet. She was acutally eating in that picture too.

Mia I didnt even notice that :rofl1::rofl1: Definatly goes with her attitude though. :eek::D
 
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But why is it a breastfeeding issue? Why is it not a parent not controlling an obnoxious child issue?
Why isn't it both?

Yes, I do think that the story sounds exaggerated. Why? Well, the poster telling clearly thinks that women who breastfeed in public need to cover themselves or hide in a corner. People are obviously more sensitive to things that offend them, therefore its going to be harder for them to be objective about it. I don't question that a baby's head covers a nipple because I've seen it happen.
And people who strongly believe in things are going to find it harder to be objective about the negative experiences other people may have surrounding it.

FWIW, as I've said multiple times already I think most breastfeeding women are very discreet and considerate. But I don't think there's anything wrong with being put off by someone who isn't, nor do I think that breastfeeding women can do no wrong.
 

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Darkchild,

You are taking absolutely EVERYTHING I have said in this thread out of context. It's comical, really. It appears you have missed the point of every single one of my posts.

Also, you can't talk about "attitude" when during this entire thread you have been nasty and condescending towards those you are debating with.


I have said numerous times that I have no issue with a woman who is being discreet and modest about breastfeeding her child. Does that mean she has to sit in a corner? No, that is just the example I used. There are many ways to be discreet and modest while breastfeeding.

I do have issue with women who breastfeed like the woman I saw in Starbucks. And it's hilarious that just because my story validifies MY point that a woman can obnoxiously breastfeed, that I must be "exaggerating" or "lying". You have spoke numerous times of discreet breastfeeding and I have not doubted your claims. Don't doubt my valid point just because you don't want to admit that a breastfeeding mother can indeed cross a line and can indeed be obnoxious. It's also comical that just because I said something to her, then that must make me disrespectful. No, she earned what I said to her by being disrespectful to those around her. You preach and preach about people having the right to breastfeed in public, but what about my freedom of speech to say something about it when they do it obnoxiously?
 

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But why is it a breastfeeding issue? Why is it not a parent not controlling an obnoxious child issue?

Yes, I do think that the story sounds exaggerated. Why? Well, the poster telling clearly thinks that women who breastfeed in public need to cover themselves or hide in a corner. People are obviously more sensitive to things that offend them, therefore its going to be harder for them to be objective about it. I don't question that a baby's head covers a nipple because I've seen it happen.
Quoting myself here to add, I don't just feel this way because its breastfeeding. If a poster went on and on about how they disliked beagles and them told a story about an obnoxious beagles, I would take that story with a grain of salt as well.
 
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Quoting myself here to add, I don't just feel this way because its breastfeeding. If a poster went on and on about how they disliked beagles and them told a story about an obnoxious beagles, I would take that story with a grain of salt as well.
And I would take it as they disliked beagles so much because they had met so many obnoxious ones.
 

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above are all mentions of sitting in a corner out of everyones eye sight basically and feeding and use a cover.


These are all different women breastfeeding that can be construed as letting their boob hang out. SOme more then others.







how many of these are inappropriate?
none of them . i will add that anyone that finds any of those sexual in nature (w/ the possible exception of boys 10-14 YO) has a WHOLE OTHER set of issues.
and the starbucks story sounds more like a child behavior issue to me than an "obnoxious BFing," i recognize that people can be complete asshats. i think perhaps being obnoxious is being transferred to the act of BFing rather than recognizing that the person is both being obnoxius & BFing at the same time. the very act of BFing cannot really be obnoxious in it self anymore than the act of drinking a cup of coffee.
 

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Darkchild,

You are taking absolutely EVERYTHING I have said in this thread out of context. It's comical, really. It appears you have missed the point of every single one of my posts.

Also, you can't talk about "attitude" when during this entire thread you have been nasty and condescending towards those you are debating with.


I have said numerous times that I have no issue with a woman who is being discreet and modest about breastfeeding her child. Does that mean she has to sit in a corner? No, that is just the example I used. There are many ways to be discreet and modest while breastfeeding.

I do have issue with women who breastfeed like the woman I saw in Starbucks. And it's hilarious that just because my story validifies MY point that a woman can obnoxiously breastfeed, that I must be "exaggerating" or "lying". You have spoke numerous times of discreet breastfeeding and I have not doubted your claims. Don't doubt my valid point just because you don't want to admit that a breastfeeding mother can indeed cross a line and can indeed be obnoxious. It's also comical that just because I said something to her, then that must make me disrespectful. No, she earned what I said to her by being disrespectful to those around her. You preach and preach about people having the right to breastfeed in public, but what about my freedom of speech to say something about it when they do it obnoxiously?
Nobody said that you didn't have right to say something. However, people have a right to have an opinion about your opinion.

The woman had a right to breast in a way that you found obnoxious, and you had the right to say something about it, which she in turn probably found obnoxious. Sounds like you're even- everyone got to exercise their rights.
 

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I don't see much public breast feeding here in tx but it is a very conservative state, I do know mothers usually leave the table because THEY don't feel it's right of polite to sit at the table where for is being served having a conversation & with other ppl.

There are some things that aren't right at the table, that is one of them, you think i am thr only person down here that thinks that? Then why would witnessing it be such a rarity? It depended on what company mom was with & what kind of restaurant she was at if she 'whipped it out'. To be its akin to blowing ones nose at the table, you can't 'see ' anything but Its still not polite.
 

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Darkchild,

You are taking absolutely EVERYTHING I have said in this thread out of context. It's comical, really. It appears you have missed the point of every single one of my posts.

Also, you can't talk about "attitude" when during this entire thread you have been nasty and condescending towards those you are debating with.


I have said numerous times that I have no issue with a woman who is being discreet and modest about breastfeeding her child. Does that mean she has to sit in a corner? No, that is just the example I used. There are many ways to be discreet and modest while breastfeeding.

I do have issue with women who breastfeed like the woman I saw in Starbucks. And it's hilarious that just because my story validifies MY point that a woman can obnoxiously breastfeed, that I must be "exaggerating" or "lying". You have spoke numerous times of discreet breastfeeding and I have not doubted your claims. Don't doubt my valid point just because you don't want to admit that a breastfeeding mother can indeed cross a line and can indeed be obnoxious. It's also comical that just because I said something to her, then that must make me disrespectful. No, she earned what I said to her by being disrespectful to those around her. You preach and preach about people having the right to breastfeed in public, but what about my freedom of speech to say something about it when they do it obnoxiously?
Maybe I dont believe it because you have yet to not act like every mom breastfeeding that doesnt fit what you think is proper is not being rude. You tell me in the picture above how that is not discreet. That is how I walk around Walmart breastfeeding my child, no cover, no sitting in a corner, no NOTHING just walking around the store feeding my child for the world to see :yikes: . There are lines and I have seen it personally One woman I saw didnt even have her kids head anywhere near her nipple when she exposed and she was OVERfull so leaking. I did in fact nicely offer her my cover to hint that ummm you might want to wait till your kid is in front of your nipple to pull down or hoping maybe she just forgot hers LOL.

I have only taken it how it is written. Yes IM going to get pissed when someone tells me i have to make MY child uncomfortable while feeding to make THEM happy. My daughter doesnt even like it when I sit and feed because she must be moving constantly. I cant pump and bottle unless you want me to pump with a crying baby in the store/restaurant because I can guarntee you will see more as I pump.
 
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