Natural and home birth and un natural hospital births

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Many hospitals also have midwife teams, or work with midwives who practice in nearby offices. So you don't have to give up on having a good midwife just to give birth in a hospital. Here in Oly many midwives do the prenatal stuff through their office and deliver in the hospital with lots of backup nearby.

In Seattle I had a really great midwife, and delivered at the hospital with her. She could tell right away I was going to have a rough delivery, got everything prepped. She had herself, 3 or 4 nurses, an ob, and an anesthesiologist all standing by in the room (except the nurses who were rushing around all crazy-like). When things went bad in a hurry she handled it very fast, did a great job getting my son out safely and stitching me up, and stopping my bleeding. She had to cut a huge incision and it healed up so well everything is just as it should be and I don't even have a scar.

The certified Nurse-Midwives generally go through 8-9 years of schooling and many have a crapload of experience in ob type nursing before they start their midwife schooling.
 

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Yes we also had midwives at our disposal at our OB's office. There were two of them and they were very nice and wonderful but I opted for the one OB because he was funnya ad had exactly the personality I could relate to. Probably not a good reason to pick a doc but he was awesome and knew what he was doing. I would have been happy with the one midwife but he was the best. His name was alsO mike meyers.... Which is kind of creepy but also my favorite horror film
Villian ever lol
 

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There were two of them and they were very nice and wonderful but I opted for the one OB because he was funnya ad had exactly the personality I could relate to.
Actually, that's a very good reason to go with a specific doctor. Especially for pregnancy and labor where being relaxed and at ease goes a long way toward a good outcome.
 
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Yes we also had midwives at our disposal at our OB's office. There were two of them and they were very nice and wonderful but I opted for the one OB because he was funnya ad had exactly the personality I could relate to. Probably not a good reason to pick a doc but he was awesome and knew what he was doing. I would have been happy with the one midwife but he was the best. His name was alsO mike meyers.... Which is kind of creepy but also my favorite horror film
Villian ever lol
That is a great reason to pick him! And his name.... Would love to see the look on peoples faces when you said who your Dr was!
 

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Honestly? The whole natural birth thing peeves me just a bit. I think it's the result of a generation who was fortunate enough to be born in an era where hospital births were the norm. As a result, I think the idea of birth at home with minimal assistance has become romanticized. People no longer remember exactly how many women and infants died during childbirth from complications that are now a non-issue. My mother spent her childhood in a very undeveloped, small village in Asia. Her grandfather (my great-grandfather) was the village healer and midwife, so to speak. My mother has memories of women and infants dying regularly during the birthing process. The whole reason the modern "non-natural" childbirth process was developed was to avoid these deaths. Perhaps it worked too well....I wonder if that's why, now, people think childbirth is a safer process than it really is.

I have no problem with people wanting to not use painkillers, epidurals, not having c-sections unless necessary, etc. But I think those that push the idea that "oh, hospitals are bad, midwives are better!" are undoing all the years that were spent developing these procedures in the first place.
See, I don't see it that way at all. I look at homebirth, hospital, and birthing center birth and think how wonderful it is that we live in a time and place that women DO have all these options.

I'm personally more comfortable in a hospital, but if someone else disagrees, has done research, and has a normal pregnancy I don't think they're somehow taking anything away from doctors- they just don't feel that doctors are needed unless something goes wrong.
 

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I had a GREAT midwife team and a OB and a hospital birth. My Midwives were part of my OB's practice and I only saw the OB when I requested it or for procedures the Midwives couldnt do (had to have a special test) It was the best of both worlds.
 

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I plan a hospital birth the whole way. It is the single most important thing I will do in my whole life and I want it done safely.
 

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I had a hospital birth. I was more comfortable with the idea of help being right there if needed. I also wanted an epidural, and that's where you get such things;)

I'll say that, aside from the douchey doctor (I'd been unable to get into my doctor for the last few visits since I could only go in on my one day off each week and, thus, they scheduled me with the other doctor who I'd had to see. I didn't want to be a jerk and send him off by the time I realized. Sadness. I think had I had my own, very pleasant doctor, it would have been a much less annoying experience) it was fine.
 

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I never knew you could have a birth WITHOUT a midwife..... They do all the pre-birth stuff, births and follow up till the baby is 4 weeks, then the health visitors take over till the child is of school age.
 

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I never knew you could have a birth WITHOUT a midwife..... They do all the pre-birth stuff, births and follow up till the baby is 4 weeks, then the health visitors take over till the child is of school age.
Here you can get one if you want. The standard practice, at least in this area, is to go to an obgyn throughout the pregnancy and have them deliver the the baby.
 

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I don’t know that home births and “natural†births are entirely a result of privileged ignorance if you will.
Much of it is a backlash against a male-dominated field invalidating women and their experiences. In the 60’s and 70’s women were told not to breastfeed, not to pick up a crying child, and plenty of other things that completely invalidated what their normal instincts were telling them to do. It make sense to me that more and more women want to be more in control of their birthing experience and know that they will be heard.
Though it was necessary in my situation, the experience of being whisked away, numbed from my neck down and having babies taken out of me without any participation whatsoever on my part is *very* surreal, discombobulating, and not in any way shape or form how you would want your own daughter to experience her first moments of motherhood.

Doctors being in charge of births is relatively new in the entire scope of our history. Traditionally childbirth and baby care was the domain of women. Doctors only got involved around the early 1900’s. Even as the trend shifted from homebirth with midwife to hospital with doctor, mortality rates did not decrease. What has reduced the risk the most was the advent of antibiotics in the 1930’s. Not the fact that women were birthing in hospitals.

I am enormously grateful for the scientific discoveries that allowed both my children to survive. But those discoveries do not need to replace the knowledge we already have about how women birth best, instead they should compliment that knowledge.
 
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I don’t know that home births and “natural†births are entirely a result of privileged ignorance if you will.
Much of it is a backlash against a male-dominated field invalidating women and their experiences. In the 60’s and 70’s women were told not to breastfeed, not to pick up a crying child, and plenty of other things that completely invalidated what their normal instincts were telling them to do. It make sense to me that more and more women want to be more in control of their birthing experience and know that they will be heard.
Though it was necessary in my situation, the experience of being whisked away, numbed from my neck down and having babies taken out of me without any participation whatsoever on my part is *very* surreal, discombobulating, and not in any way shape or form how you would want your own daughter to experience her first moments of motherhood.

Doctors being in charge of births is relatively new in the entire scope of our history. Traditionally childbirth and baby care was the domain of women. Doctors only got involved around the early 1900’s. Even as the trend shifted from homebirth with midwife to hospital with doctor, mortality rates did not decrease. What has reduced the risk the most was the advent of antibiotics in the 1930’s. Not the fact that women were birthing in hospitals.

I am enormously grateful for the scientific discoveries that allowed both my children to survive. But those discoveries do not need to replace the knowledge we already have about how women birth best, instead they should compliment that knowledge.
^This! :hail:
 

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The whole movement back towards home birth and midwives in our current era (1950s and onward) is mostly attributed to the way hospitals and OBs treated women at the hospitals when they first began taking on women giving birth.

This is a good article on some of the history of what went on back then: http://wonderfullymadebelliesandbabies.blogspot.ca/2007/12/quick-history-of-medication-in-maternal.html

This is the one that is stuck in my mind especially after seeing clips of these babies/kids on the documentary:
In the mid 1950's-60's, it was thalidomide, prescribed to pregnant women routinely - causing the widespread incidence of 'flipper babies' - children who were born with severe malformities, including phocomelia (short limbs and deformed extremities).
Totally agree with you on your post too Danefield! I've heard the US still has one of the highest mortality rates for women and babies in the developed world. I have heard great things about alot of European countries like you mentioned Dizzy. It's normal in the Netherlands to see a Midwife as well unless there are medical complications. And they have much lower rates of medical interventions and drugs being used.

I also think giving birth in an underdeveloped rural town in Asia is much different than giving birth at home in a more developed country such as the US and Canada.
 

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I wonder how lifestyle differences between areas play a factor and how much may NOT be the fault of doctors methods
 

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I can't imagine ever giving birth anywhere but a hospital. I would feel negligent doing anything else.

Lord willing I will never make that decision, but if I one day find myself pregnant, that's what I'd do.
 

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I wonder how lifestyle differences between areas play a factor and how much may NOT be the fault of doctors methods
The United States is pretty gigantic, with large numbers of women from extremely different income levels, cultures, diets, activity levels, etc. etc. etc. contributing to the statistic. Our health care protocol is the one thing that is pretty standardized across the board.
 

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