Obama Supports Same-Sex Marriage

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FWIW, WAY back to the OP.

Obama's statment was a politically expedient one, forced by his moron of a VP. If not for crazy Joe, Obama never comes out on this topic and we don't have this epic debate. This link is one of MANY.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-to-obama-for-forcing-gay-marriage-issue.html

I still want Rick Perry to get the VP nomination. That debate would be EPIC. SNL wouldn't even be able to make a skit. They would just play the actual debate.
 

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Haven't read the thread but although I do agree that same sex marriage should be legal, I think this was a purely political move on Obama's part. I don't really know why this is such a big deal to be honest that he said this. He tiptoed around with the words like 'for me personally'. I doubt it will actually change anything, it's still up for the states to decide.
Ok this thread is huge but this I do have to comment on. That it's not a big deal to you means that you are lucky. Everyday in this country gay children and dragged to churches where what they feel is openly discussed as a sin. They listen to their parents and other adults talk about how this country is going to ruin because fags want to get married. Or if they have "nice" parents they get to hear about how they hate the sin but love the sinner, so treat them nicely they just can't have things like marriage, and children, and heaven

They have feelings that they are terrified to talk about because of the very real fear that those close to them will condemn them. Bullied gay teens commit suicide at an alarming rate. If you're lucky enough to have sex ed you learn how straight people do it and absolutely nothing about the kind of sex you want to have. You feel like an isolated freak and then the President of the United States said casually in an interview that you are ok. You and other like you are a good part of this country and should be able to be married and live happily. The President said that for the first time in history.

I don't care if it was a political move because my students wont care. This was a huge freaking deal.
 

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You have no idea how this post warmed and tickled me pink!! You love is not the sin. It is the ignorance of bigots that is the sin.
I'm glad you liked it. :)

You see, I didn't even realize I wasn't straight until I met her and things just sorta happened. The relationship was purely emotional, we never moved past that due to...reasons.

That brings me to another thought. Is it only a sin if the homosexuality is physical? Is is sinful to romantically love someone who happens to have the same set of genitalia you do and form a deep attachment to them and do your utmost to protect and take care of them and they the same for you? Or does the "sinfulness" of it only come in if you actually touch each other?

(BTW, it doesn't really matter if you consciously acknowledge God's existence. Wherever Love is, so He is too.)
 

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Ok this thread is huge but this I do have to comment on. That it's not a big deal to you means that you are lucky. Everyday in this country gay children and dragged to churches where what they feel is openly discussed as a sin. They listen to their parents and other adults talk about how this country is going to ruin because fags want to get married. Or if they have "nice" parents they get to hear about how they hate the sin but love the sinner, so treat them nicely they just can't have things like marriage, and children, and heaven

They have feelings that they are terrified to talk about because of the very real fear that those close to them will condemn them. Bullied gay teens commit suicide at an alarming rate. If you're lucky enough to have sex ed you learn how straight people do it and absolutely nothing about the kind of sex you want to have. You feel like an isolated freak and then the President of the United States said casually in an interview that you are ok. You and other like you are a good part of this country and should be able to be married and live happily. The President said that for the first time in history.

I don't care if it was a political move because my students wont care. This was a huge freaking deal.
This this this x1000. Especially the bolded part.
 

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Eh, maybe it's because I'm jaded. I just don't see how this will change anything and I don't put much stock into the president (any president). They're all politicians and I don't trust them. They use issues that they can't/won't do anything about as talking points.

If it gets people's hopes up then great, but I just can't see it meaning much even if I do agree with Obama on this.

Don't get me wrong I'd be thrilled if gay marriage is legalized, but it's still a state issue.
 
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Its very much an effective right. Not an individual one of course, but for a couple.

A male and female decide to get married. In 1-3 days, depending on the state, they can be married. Except for cases of gay marriage or incest I don't think any state claims they can deny the couple. You don't need money. You don't need to want kids. You don't need money if you DO want kids. You just need to fill out a form.

It has also been considered more of a right since the civil rights movement. In support of overturning bans on interracial marriage the court wrote: "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."

So, according to the Supreme Court, since at least 1967.
 

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Eh, maybe it's because I'm jaded. I just don't see how this will change anything and I don't put much stock into the president (any president). They're all politicians and I don't trust them. They use issues that they can't/won't do anything about as talking points.

If it gets people's hopes up then great, but I just can't see it meaning much even if I do agree with Obama on this.

Don't get me wrong I'd be thrilled if gay marriage is legalized, but it's still a state issue.
I don't understand why it is a state issue. It's so confusing to hear people in CA saying well the majority were for Prop 8. There were a lot of things the majority were against. Ending slavery, ending segregated schools, the right for interracial couples to marry, the right of women to vote.

None of these events would have occurred had it been left to majority vote. When did we get to the point where the majority of a population get to decide on what rights a minority will receive.

Think of this in most states the majority didn't approve of interracial marriage until 1997....that's horrifying. How many people do you know would never have been married, never have been born if we had left that topic up for the states and the voters to decide on.
 

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Its very much an effective right. Not an individual one of course, but for a couple.

A male and female decide to get married. In 1-3 days, depending on the state, they can be married. Except for cases of gay marriage or incest I don't think any state claims they can deny the couple. You don't need money. You don't need to want kids. You don't need money if you DO want kids. You just need to fill out a form.

It has also been considered more of a right since the civil rights movement. In support of overturning bans on interracial marriage the court wrote: "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."

So, according to the Supreme Court, since at least 1967.
My parents are a mixed couple and my dad is from the South. I think this is why it's such a big deal to me. I just wrote this but I'll state it again, this was passed decades before the majority approved of these marriages. Why should gay couples have to wait before the majority of the bigots in this country die off when my parents didn't have to.
 
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Its very much an effective right. Not an individual one of course, but for a couple.

A male and female decide to get married. In 1-3 days, depending on the state, they can be married. Except for cases of gay marriage or incest I don't think any state claims they can deny the couple. You don't need money. You don't need to want kids. You don't need money if you DO want kids. You just need to fill out a form.

It has also been considered more of a right since the civil rights movement. In support of overturning bans on interracial marriage the court wrote: "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."

So, according to the Supreme Court, since at least 1967.
How do you define a Right?

According to SCOTUS interracial marriage laws had nothing to do with marriage but was an issue of racial discrimination. Does not make marriage a Right.

Get Gov out of the marriage business, and take responsibility for your selves.
 

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It's so funny to be called an ignorant ass by someone who acts the same way. Notice you are the only one unable to keep name calling and silly childish behaviour out of it.
I didn't call you an ignorant ass. I doubt you have ever once beaten a homosexual, thrown a drink at them, called them a faggot, spat at them, burned down their bars, broken into their houses and destroyed their stuff. As I said previously, I have no issue with anyone disagreeing with homosexuality. That is your cross to bear. I have issues with people who force that disagreement on others.

My quote had nothing to do with you or anyone on this thread. But thanks for calling ME childish. ;)
 
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Nothing to do with marriage at all?

"basic civil rights of man"
"fundamental freedom"
"freedom of choice to marry"

So, is it a right? The Supreme Court seems to have thought so. Seems right to me, you want to get married, and you get married. No one stands there and asks how long you've been dating or why you want to get married.
 
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Nothing to do with marriage at all?

"basic civil rights of man"
"fundamental freedom"
"freedom of choice to marry"

So, is it a right? The Supreme Court seems to have thought so. Seems right to me, you want to get married, and you get married. No one stands there and asks how long you've been dating or why you want to get married.
Your definition of a Right is what?
 

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Yes they are doing more than just being gay. They had this child (not through adoption or sperm donor actually) as a rebellion without being at all prepared to take care of him. They don't teach him or do anything with him. They just treat him like a play thing. It was OBVIOUS early on that this child was autistic but no matter what anyone said they just kept saying "he doesn't need intervention. People should just let him be who he is". Now he is almost 5 years old and suffering greatly. He is not this way because they are gay but their desire to be rebellious is why he was birn while they were ill equipped and the whole "let him be who he is and don't try to change him" comes from the same place. Refusal to get him help he desperately needed stems from The same.

As for the quote... The old testament has already been addressed in this thread. I suggest you go back and read what that means. I have had Jehovahs witnesses come to my door. I am kind to them... They are my elders so I treat them with respect even though I disagree with them. I try to treat everyone the same ... Even gay people. Idon't agree with them but I treat them with respect.
That has diddly squat to do with their sexuality though......

I simply can't see how finding women attractive meant they ignored the needs of the child.

They're just bad parents, end of. It's a ridiculous suggestion to say it is because they like vaginas.
 
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That has diddly squat to do with their sexuality though......

I simply can't see how finding women attractive meant they ignored the needs of the child.

They're just bad parents, end of. It's a ridiculous suggestion to say it is because they like vaginas.
In this case, as I read it it does.

An old girlfriend of mine is raising twins in a lesbian household. She is doing so out of love and not out of a need to rebel.
 

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I am sure Pucks sister would have a lot to say from her side. I doubt its I am gay hear me roar (which is so patronising it is vile).

There are ALWAYS 3 sides to every story, yours, theirs and the truth.
 

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