Cops pepper spray peaceful students

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This image is not shopped. Ok this is not my country but really that doesnt' matter. (and really we could talk about our police and the G20 summit) What is it with police in this day and age?

These students were sitting peacefully when police pepper sprayed them and arrested them for being in the way. Sure they wanted them to move but what about right to peaceful protest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM&feature=share
 

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The sad fact is that we live in a police state now. This kind of police brutality and government control will only get worse unless there's a revolution. Pepper spray to "clear a path?" Yeah, like that's really necessary. Disgusting. I hate these power hungry, sadistic jerks whose salary WE pay! I don't agree with what the protesters are protesting, but they were not being violent and their right to protest is repeatedly being denied. Shame on America.:mad:
 

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On the news yesterday there was a story of an 80 year old woman being pepper sprayed at one of the Occupy rallys. In Chicago the police seem to be handling it pretty well. They are operating on the premiss that if you treat people like a mob they will turn into a mob so are trying to deal with any issues on an individual basis.
 

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Ugh. And notice on the left there, it looks like that cop is trying to stop people from filming it. There are better ways to handle peaceful protesters.
 

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This has been happening almost daily since the protests started. I'm sure some cops use their pepper spray responsibly, but I know a girl who was pepper sprayed for standing on the sidewalk...in San Diego, protestors formed a human chain to prevent their tents and belongings from being seized, and it was sprayed in order to break it up.

I've been to the protests, and for the most part it's not like the cops are running around beating everyone and spraying everyone....but at times, they are, and some of the cops are.

A NYC councilman was injured and arrested by police the other day. I don't know if everyone on here heard about the war veteran in Oakland who was shot in the face with a tea gas canister and was in intensive care? A few civilians ran back to help him after the tear gas scattered them, and the cops shot another canister at them.

I've also heard reports another veteran in Oakland was beaten until he had internal bleeding, and he was put in jail and refused medical treatment for 18 hours. When they finally did treat him, his spleen was ruptured. Not sure if that's true...
 

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This will get worse before it gets better. Large movements are like that.

There was a time in my great grandmother's years when the Army was dispatched to break up the peaceful mob in Seattle. She was there for the Seattle general strike - delivering food to the strikers.

During my grandfather's years the Bonus Army encampment in DC was broken up by Patton himself ordering a calvary charge on war veterans.

It's been fairly quiet during my parent's lifetime. They missed the 60s by a few years.

It's been fairly quiet in my lifetime up until this point. We'll see if this protest has any staying power or recollection beyond a few years.

History doesn't repeat itself really... it just rhymes often times and plays to a similar tune.
 

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http://bicyclebarricade.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/open-letter-to-chancellor-linda-p-b-katehi/

18 November 2011

Open Letter to Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi

Linda P.B. Katehi,

I am a junior faculty member at UC Davis. I am an Assistant Professor in the Department of English, and I teach in the Program in Critical Theory and in Science & Technology Studies. I have a strong record of research, teaching, and service. I am currently a Board Member of the Davis Faculty Association. I have also taken an active role in supporting the student movement to defend public education on our campus and throughout the UC system. In a word: I am the sort of young faculty member, like many of my colleagues, this campus needs. I am an asset to the University of California at Davis.

You are not.

I write to you and to my colleagues for three reasons:

1) to express my outrage at the police brutality which occurred against students engaged in peaceful protest on the UC Davis campus today

2) to hold you accountable for this police brutality

3) to demand your immediate resignation

Today you ordered police onto our campus to clear student protesters from the quad. These were protesters who participated in a rally speaking out against tuition increases and police brutality on UC campuses on Tuesday—a rally that I organized, and which was endorsed by the Davis Faculty Association. These students attended that rally in response to a call for solidarity from students and faculty who were bludgeoned with batons, hospitalized, and arrested at UC Berkeley last week. In the highest tradition of non-violent civil disobedience, those protesters had linked arms and held their ground in defense of tents they set up beside Sproul Hall. In a gesture of solidarity with those students and faculty, and in solidarity with the national Occupy movement, students at UC Davis set up tents on the main quad. When you ordered police outfitted with riot helmets, brandishing batons and teargas guns to remove their tents today, those students sat down on the ground in a circle and linked arms to protect them.

What happened next?

Without any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground, with their arms linked, police pepper-sprayed students. Students remained on the ground, now writhing in pain, with their arms linked.

What happened next?

Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-five minutes after being pepper-sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.

This is what happened. You are responsible for it.

You are responsible for it because this is what happens when UC Chancellors order police onto our campuses to disperse peaceful protesters through the use of force: students get hurt. Faculty get hurt. One of the most inspiring things (inspiring for those of us who care about students who assert their rights to free speech and peaceful assembly) about the demonstration in Berkeley on November 9 is that UC Berkeley faculty stood together with students, their arms linked together. Associate Professor of English Celeste Langan was grabbed by her hair, thrown on the ground, and arrested. Associate Professor Geoffrey O’Brien was injured by baton blows. Professor Robert Hass, former Poet Laureate of the United States, National Book Award and Pulitzer Prize winner, was also struck with a baton. These faculty stood together with students in solidarity, and they too were beaten and arrested by the police. In writing this letter, I stand together with those faculty and with the students they supported.

One week after this happened at UC Berkeley, you ordered police to clear tents from the quad at UC Davis. When students responded in the same way—linking arms and holding their ground—police also responded in the same way: with violent force. The fact is: the administration of UC campuses systematically uses police brutality to terrorize students and faculty, to crush political dissent on our campuses, and to suppress free speech and peaceful assembly. Many people know this. Many more people are learning it very quickly.

You are responsible for the police violence directed against students on the UC Davis quad on November 18, 2011. As I said, I am writing to hold you responsible and to demand your immediate resignation on these grounds.

On Wednesday November 16, you issued a letter by email to the campus community. In this letter, you discussed a hate crime which occurred at UC Davis on Sunday November 13. In this letter, you express concern about the safety of our students. You write, “it is particularly disturbing that such an act of intolerance should occur at a time when the campus community is working to create a safe and inviting space for all our students.†You write, “while these are turbulent economic times, as a campus community, we must all be committed to a safe, welcoming environment that advances our efforts to diversity and excellence at UC Davis.â€

I will leave it to my colleagues and every reader of this letter to decide what poses a greater threat to “a safe and inviting space for all our students†or “a safe, welcoming environment†at UC Davis: 1) Setting up tents on the quad in solidarity with faculty and students brutalized by police at UC Berkeley? or 2) Sending in riot police to disperse students with batons, pepper-spray, and tear-gas guns, while those students sit peacefully on the ground with their arms linked? Is this what you have in mind when you refer to creating “a safe and inviting space?†Is this what you have in mind when you express commitment to “a safe, welcoming environment?â€

I am writing to tell you in no uncertain terms that there must be space for protest on our campus. There must be space for political dissent on our campus. There must be space for civil disobedience on our campus. There must be space for students to assert their right to decide on the form of their protest, their dissent, and their civil disobedience—including the simple act of setting up tents in solidarity with other students who have done so. There must be space for protest and dissent, especially, when the object of protest and dissent is police brutality itself. You may not order police to forcefully disperse student protesters peacefully protesting police brutality. You may not do so. It is not an option available to you as the Chancellor of a UC campus. That is why I am calling for your immediate resignation.

Your words express concern for the safety of our students. Your actions express no concern whatsoever for the safety of our students. I deduce from this discrepancy that you are not, in fact, concerned about the safety of our students. Your actions directly threaten the safety of our students. And I want you to know that this is clear. It is clear to anyone who reads your campus emails concerning our “Principles of Community†and who also takes the time to inform themselves about your actions. You should bear in mind that when you send emails to the UC Davis community, you address a body of faculty and students who are well trained to see through rhetoric that evinces care for students while implicitly threatening them. I see through your rhetoric very clearly. You also write to a campus community that knows how to speak truth to power. That is what I am doing.

I call for your resignation because you are unfit to do your job. You are unfit to ensure the safety of students at UC Davis. In fact: you are the primary threat to the safety of students at UC Davis. As such, I call upon you to resign immediately.

Sincerely,

Nathan Brown
Assistant Professor
Department of English
Program in Critical Theory
University of California at Davis
 
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That cop just made the mistake of doing that on on a college campus.

Somewhere along the line it became ok to pepper spray or tazer people just for not doing what you wanted. The idea of using minimum force has been lost to the idea that you shouldn't have to do any work, or risk yourself at all by moving an unarmed person. Just assault them until they go away.
 

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Pepper spray down someone's throat? That is utterly barbaric.

I don't know if anyone here has been peppersprayed. I have, and it's excruciating. I would never wish that kind of pain on my worst enemies. It feels like you cannot breathe no matter how hard you try, along with the burning and OW OW OW part. Pepperspraying down someone's throat should be reserved for the absolute last bastion of self defense, as in, they're holding a butcher knife to your throat. That photo and letter made me physically ill to read. I hope that whoever is responsible loses their job. End of story.
 

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I wonder if these cops playing fast and loose with the pepper spray realize how much it hurts? I think in this state a law enforcement officer has to submit to being sprayed in the face with pepper spray before they can carry it. Don't know if it's like that everywhere though...
 

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My guess is they know exactly what it feels like, which is why they used it. It's a great excuse for the bullies in badges to shine right now, the "removal of dissenters". It's basically a carte blanche to do whatever, short of actually shooting them.
 

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I feel bad for good cops who get a bad rep because of bad cops.

And I hate this "protect our own" mentality that pops up in police.

I think Det. Stabler is an interesting character on Law & Order, but if he was a real cop/detective I would hate him and want him out so fast.
 

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Kerri, this particular issue may not be our country or our issue, but do you know about the Trent Eight? The small group of 8 peaceful protestors who sat in at the Vice President's Academic Office, and 3 days later were taken by force and violence out of the office by 25 officers in riot gear and a dog. 25+1, to take down 8 students. That was at our school, in 2001. This kind of action isn't new, or surprising at this point, and it's only been getting bigger and more serious. Sad.
 

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I wonder if these cops playing fast and loose with the pepper spray realize how much it hurts? I think in this state a law enforcement officer has to submit to being sprayed in the face with pepper spray before they can carry it. Don't know if it's like that everywhere though...
Yes, police have to be pepper sprayed & Tasered as part of training. I mean they are litterally held down & pepper sprayed.

I am married to a cop & I work for the prosecutor's office. Not all cops or people in Law Enforcement are like this.

It is sad that this is how it's always portrayed in media. You will only see the bad apples.

As for taxes. Cops pay taxes too!!!
 

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This is beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8775ZmNGFY8

Here is the context:

A pretty remarkable thing just happened. A press conference, scheduled for 2:00pm between the UC Davis Chancellor and police on campus, did not end at 2:30. Instead, a mass of Occupy Davis students and sympathizers mobilized outside, demanding to have their voice heard. After some initial confusion, UC Chancellor Linda Katehi refused to leave the building, attempting to give the media the impression that the students were somehow holding her hostage. A group of highly organized students formed a large gap for the chancellor to leave. They chanted "we are peaceful" and "just walk home," but nothing changed for several hours. Eventually student representatives convinced the chancellor to leave after telling their fellow students to sit down and lock arms.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/police-abuse-on-parade-ctd.html

Despite the fact that the Occupy UC Davis protestors have never done anything violent, she was afraid of them. And when she did come out, they stood silently. They did not jeer, or wave signs, or shout insults. They stood there silently, absolutely peaceful, and let their silence be their judgment.

I have no idea what particular gripe motivates Occupy UC Davis. I am ambivalent towards the Occupy movement in general. But the dignity, and discipline, and the elegant use of shame in that video has won my deepest admiration.

Kids, I'm not a part of your movement. But I will defend to the death your right to have a movement. And this video makes me very proud of you, just as a fellow American.
 

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I see you have a definition of "active resistance" that is entirely different from that held by . . . pretty much the rest of the human race:

http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2011/11/redefining-active-resistance.html

You know so much police brutality makes so much sense to me now that I know that "curling into a ball" is active resistance. Being thoroughly cowed and attempting to protect oneself is resistance, justifying the further use of force!
 

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