Corgis vs. Border Collies

For those of you who have experience with both, what would you say the main differences are, aside from physical stature of course

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Corgis are snarkier, they have more feist to them than border collies for the most part. That said most of the border collies I know personally are sporter collies. The corgis I have known are less, "teach me, teach me, teach me!" They'll work for ya but they'd like to know why first, the borders I know get a rush out of the sheer act of training.

I akin corgis more to cattle dogs ime than collie. Others should have more experience though, I'm a sporter who's surrounded by collies and only a fair share or corgis so my view of them may be slightly skewed.

What she said.

Personally I don't find corgis to be at all like border collies or any other collie types. They've got a more cattle dog and spitzy type demeanor to me.

Welll..... corgis look cuter weaving.

Border collies will work for you with little reward other than just working. Corgis need to know there's something in it for them that is of comparable value to the work they are doing. LOL

IME most corgis don't come close to having the drive that is common in BCs. We have a rescue corgi who is an exception to that though LOL

Thanks guys!
Most of you pretty much just confirmed what I was thinking.
One reason I love corgis so much, and a trait that most BCs seem to lack, is the comedian aspect of them. They can be the most silly, comical dogs I have ever met.

Truth! :lol-sign:

From the research I've done/read, there is quite a bit of both spitz and cattle dog in their makeup (schipperke, pomeranian, vallhund, etc), and they certainly have the p*ss and vinegar of the two groups, lol.

I think that really depends on where you get your corgi from.
Corgis SHOULD be drivey dogs, and I've met quite a few who are, but for the most part corgis seem to have gone the show dog route and the BCs you usually see are from sporting/working lines. So it is kind of comparing apples to oranges. If you are going to use working line BCs for comparison, then you need to compare them to working line corgis. Also, show line BCs to show line corgis.

If/when I get another corgi, it will be from lines where the dogs are working (though not necessarily cattle/sheep), because I do want a dog with drive.

Corgis are the feistiest of all the herding breeds, imo. They kinda have to be!

Biggest difference I've noticed is their demeanor. Corgis are less reserved than collie types, who tend to only be goofy around their owners (my personal dog missed this memo, sadly). Corgis have a different sense of humor, too. They might be stand-up comedians while border collies are more like the sarcastic assholes who lurk on the edge of the crowd and mumble dark, snide jokes.

I've never met a working line corgi kept as a pet, so I don't know much about them. I'd like to meet some good working Corgis.

Corgis have little man syndrome. What they lack in height they make up in personality.

But seriously I find, generally speaking of course, Corgis to be much less handler soft than a BC.

There are really no lines of Corgis that are comparable to working line BCs. There are starting to be more sport oriented Corgi breeders but Corgis like so many breeds are either pet or show lines. Some of the most drivey (and IMO functionally built) Corgis I have known were from pet lines.

From what I know (Our neighbor had Corgis, and I have met several on farms, and at dog shows (Agility), and I have owned Border Collies, and have met them in dog shows also (Once again, Agility. I am not into the "Show" animals).

Corgis are loud, they are funny, they don't listen very well, they have a mind of their own. They love their owners, but they don't know the deff. of owner (They seem to have more of a "This here is my close friend, they feed me, they talk to me, and they provide me with shelter, I own the show" attitude from what I have seen, once again tho, I have not really been around a LOT of Corgis, yes I have met several (Probably around 20 or 30), but have not been around as many as Border Collies.
Border Collies are beautiful, they are also funny (Unless it is trained/bred out of them) (I had one who would sit under a picnic table when it rained so that she could catch the rain, and when it snowed she would shove the snow up with her snout so she could catch it. The dogs we have right now will tip the food dish over, and then pick up the food and put it back it the dish), they love to work (No matter the job), they learn easy and fast, and they tend to have a "This here is my boss, I work for room and board, but I have such a nice boss that he(Or she) gives me treats, even when I probably don't need them! And he(Or she) pets me to! And I love it when he(Or she) talks to me about his(Or her) problems, makes me feel trusted!" attitude.

Once again, I have had a lot less experience with Corgis than Border Collies tho.
Also, I HAVE seen some Border Collies who had the "I run the show, this here is my friend" attitude, but very few, and far between, and the ones I have seen that were like that were dogs who had owners that thought they were raising a prince/princess or something obviously, as the dog was treated as ABOVE them-selfs, and their friends/family!

I once read a description of cardigan vs. pembroke corgi and it said at a party the cardigan is the one in the nice suit shaking hands with all the guests and being polite, and pems are the ones dancing on the tables :lol-sign:
That always makes me laugh.

I tend to think that the corgis of today would be less feisty than when the breed first got started. There are definitely still some out there that are tough as nails, which I like, but I wish they'd check more of that reactivity business at the door.

Yesterday I met another pem owner before our weaves class and we talked for a while (she stayed about 30 feet away) and I mentioned that Frodo had reactivity issues and her response was "so does she [points at her corgi], why do you think I'm over here? It's a corgi thing!"

I don't know that that is quite accurate. I know Sizzle on this forum has a corgi that she got from a breeder who (unless I am mistaken) has her corgis for the purpose of working livestock on a daily basis. Ada definitely doesn't look anything like a show line corgi.
She also has a corgi from a sport/show breeder.

There is a woman who I know who has a gorgeous corgi. The dogs structure is amazing, and exactly what I want my corgi to look like. I would very much like to clone that dog. Her breeder is definitely on my list.

HAHAHA! That seems pretty accurate to me

In fact, welcome to my signature

Ada is from a breeder who uses her dogs on stock. She doesn't have a "line" - she just breeds her own dogs for her own stock. Ada is... um... special. She's not a good pet. She's not a good family member. She's oppositional and is not willing to please. Her idea of a good day is being left alone by everyone and everything.

Revy's breeder focuses on obedience, agility and conformation. Her dogs also track and herd, but not to the same extent as agility and obedience. Revy has got twice the drive, twice the intensity and twice the courage of Ada... all in a friendlier, more outgoing and jolly package. She's got none of the nasty belligerence towards other dogs like Ada does, and she's great with people (unlike Ada.)

At the same time, she is the corgi that passed the Doberman working aptitude evaluation (close range gunfire and a charging attacker included) with flying colors - sad to say she did better than most of the Dobermans evaluated that day. It's really something to see a 22lb corgi face off with an adult man, rushing at her waving a stick and yelling at the top of his lungs... Revy was at the end of her leash, barking her head off and making eye contact with the guy... NO fear, NO intimidation, NO cowardice. Ada would have most likely peed herself.

Revy is faster, more agile and is more aware of herself than Ada. Her movement is effortless and efficient, and she's got beautiful structure. Her good looks are really just the icing on the cake though.

The working line BCs are from long pedigrees of dogs bred solely for work. There are enough of working bred BCs that breeders can easily breed within the working line gene pool. "Working" or sport bred corgis (much like Collies) tend to go back to show and/or pet lines in just a few generations. Using dogs for herding doesn't change the pedigree of the dogs. There is no gene pool from which to choose working line Corgis to breed to working line Corgis. Breeders wishing to breed them for sport or work need to use dogs from show or pet lines. So it is definitely accurate to say there are no lines of Corgis (either type) that compare to working bred BCs. I think there is a good possibility in the future that there will be more and more sport breeders, especially in Pems but those pedigrees will still be founded in show and pet bred dogs.

Revy sounds like an awesome dog! She is a good looking Corgi but very much a modern, show type (Ada seems closer to that as well). If there were still a working population of Pems, they would likely look more like this: