new designer dog breed

So what have your dogs PERSONALLY done to prove themselves?

what were ofa and baer scores?
what kind of WORKING titles do you have on these dogs?

since the offspring are planned to be "working" dogs their parents should also be WORKIGN dogs...and the confirmation ring is NOT an impressive title in a "working" breed.

when developing a breed you need to have an idea of the breed standard FIRST!

and for your last question.
the Fila, the Boerboel, the Pressa Canario, the alapaha (sp?), and the Cane Corso would all fit the EXACT description on the traits your trying to develop.

Ok if you understand genetics.. (and really its not that simple, trust me) What coat type do you expect in the first few generations and why?

How 'fast' does genotype change over time with selective breeding?

So you cross them, then what? It will take at least the next 20-50 years to even remotely nail down a consistent breed type. You will need other dogs in your breeding program.

Why go with son of a winner etc? Why not breed the winner? Many great dogs sire unimpressive children. And most conformation dogs couldn't work if their lives depended on it.. so why not start with working dogs? If not least prove the dogs you have, so you then know if they have any actual working ability. That way you will be able to find decent homes for the cull pups.

You, my dear, sound like a terrorist. Atleast that's the first thing that came to mind when I read that part of your post.

And please give evidence to support your claim of Collies not doing anything to protect against an intruder.

Filas are far to agressive to be a family dog are reliable enough to have in the general public,presa canarios are fighting dogs and so are cane corso ,a dogo is a pack dog
boerbeols are mastiff and bulldogs used for predator protection they do not have the hunting ability of a hound nice try but none come close to fitting the bill

Actually I would take a cane corso home before a dogo, at least from those that I have met.

And if you are talking working dogs they aren't going to be family dogs for the most part. Anyone who can handle a large high drive working dog like you are talking of would have no problems handling a corso.

Why do you have so much knowledge of these dogs breeds? Have you spent many hours training and owning each breed?

Sweet Pea the Dogos I've met have been severely DA. Anything with Mastiff or bulldog in them has a propensity towards dog aggression. Don't kid yourself.

When was the last time you saw a pack of boerboels working together?

Can't say I see a lot of fightign dog here, but a lot of what you are trying to produce. Perhaps you should start here?

So, I guess the only hope I can draw from this thread is that Darwinism will kick the OP's butt and maybe his superturbonatordogs are going hunt him :rofl1:

And you my dear sound like a socialist loving obama supporter with you head in the sand about the upcoming upheaval in the country because of the destruction of our way of life by the communist factions trying to destroy or constitution and are not prepared for
the unrest to come

cane corso cant track anything but a cheseburger

sigh.. well I did have hope for you.

I PERSONALLY know Corsos who can track just fine...

And you should learn to express yourself better and spell if you want to successfully promote your survivalist companion dog.

Also, jumping to erroneous conclusions about people you do not know is not a good way to promote yourself or your dogs.

dont tell the couple of fila owners here that their filas are too agressive to be good family dogs...

or my frineds pressa that hes a fighting dog who cant be kept in a pack...he lives with 6other pressa mixes, a dane and 4 toy breed dogs
or my uncles cane corso, who lived with 10 other dogs, 4 cats a farm full of critters and 8 kids!
hes also a livestock guardian and has been on many a hunt, pig, fox, badger and more.

or my cousins boerboel not being able to do any of those things simply because hes a mastif (hes very protective of his family, ok with strangers properly introduced, protective of his livestock, a perfect protection dog AND hunts boar in australia!)

Dogos have always struck me as pretty likely to be DA. At least from talking to a couple people that have owned them. I personally think crossing the shepherd with the dogo could create some pretty nasty temperaments that are not what you want. I would much rather deal with a well bred mastiff from a good breeder because then I'll at least know the drives.

OMG! :rofl1: :rofl1: :rofl1:

One: I don't like Obama. Didn't vote for him, and I wouldn't vote for him.

Two: I don't like the way this country is going.

Three: I'm 16 years old. Couldn't have voted for Obama if I wanted too.

+1 one for you. Hope you have better luck when judging who to breed your dogs to then you do when judging people.

Dogs are a commodity. If such a scenario played out, it's quite likely you'd be eating the dog at some point.

This statement tells me that you have spent little to no time around working mastiffs. What part of the country are you in? Here we have the pacific nw working dog expo, featuring a slew of brilliant cane corsos, boerboels, and other molosser dogs working in PP sport alongside various shepherd dogs. They are EXTREMELY loyal to their families.

If you're embarking on a breeding venture with these dogs, and looking for specific traits I suggest going out to some of these types of events, tagging along on actual boar hunts, etc. so you can get a feel for the different breed's working styles. Talk to the people who live with them, learn as much as you possibly can BEFORE putting a litter on the ground.

Frankly, this scenario sounds somewhat delusional. Pitbulls are not some freaky killing machine, and I've NEVER heard of a home intruder bringing a dog with them for the crime. Ever. Honestly, the pit would probably run up and lick you all over while it's owner tried to rob you.

Yes they can, at the same time, not all parts of the country have a surplus of wild hogs. In a survival situation, people would be better off maintain a herd of fryer rabbits and some chickens than depending on a large dog who is going to consume a lot of meat year round, and quite possibly get killed himself while out hunting.

There is a reason WHY hunting dogs roam. If you breed that close working style into dogos, you aren't going to have a boar dog any more. In order to capture certain game hunting dogs have to go far afield. That's a fact of life. If you take that out of the equation, they will be less effective as hunters and that goes counter to your whole reason for wanting to cross them.

The shepherd dogs were bred to be close working, as they work WITH a handler. There aren't too many hunting breeds that are close working. The only two I can think of on the top of my head are the wirehaired pointing griffon and basset hound. Someone else who knows/hunts more can tell you more about this.

This tells me you really need to spend more time working with dogs in general. Each breed is different, shepherds have a reputation as being trainable, because they are easy to motivate. It is easy to train hounds, bullies, etc. when you know how to motivate them.

If you're wanting to embark on creating a new breed, or a purpose bred cross then you need to know exactly what is out there to know what breeds really have the traits you want. Not go off heresay or a reputation.

Some things to keep in mind:

Health testing. Molossers and german shepherds are both notorious for orthopedic problems. Your dogs will be 100% useless if their hips and elbows give out by the time they are three years old. All breeding stock should be screened either by OFA or pennhip at 2 years old. Other issues to look for are cardiac problems, thyroid, cancer. You need to look at the health problems prevalent in both breeds, and screen for both.

Hybrid vigor only works in the F1, and only if both parents are not carrying the problem. Since both breeds share some of the same problems, you can still get affected F1 puppies. This becomes even more critical in subsequent generations, since at some point you will have to line breed. That is an essential step to creating a homozygous population (i.e. new breed)

Another thing to think about is the number of dogs you're talking about working with. The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy designates a breed "Endangered" when the population goes under 2,000. That is the number needed to maintain enough genetic diversity to prevent fatal bottlenecking. Are you going to be able to maintain a high enough population of breeding dogs to prevent that from happening? Because if you're having to outcross to pure shepherd or pure dogo every few generations, you will never get any consistency in your breeding program.

I have owned many shepherds and dogos and now own 5 of each breed my dogos get along well with my shepherds and are not dog aggressive ,my male shepherds are more dog aggressive but my dogos could kill and eat my shepherds if they wanted too my shepherds stay with me where ever i go and the dogos hunt the hogs on my property relentlessly and my male major will fight to the death to protect me from man or bear if he thinks im threatened the shepherds would trey to protect me but not to the death and they have no desire to hunt I WANT A DOG THAT WILL DO BOTH and will have them one day