So What do you think the answer will be?

I just sent the AKC an email asking if a dog that had a vasectomy would qualify for PAL/ILP status. They require the dog to be "neutered" to be registered with them.

So what do you think the answer will be? Yes or NO.

I voted that they'll say no.

That's my vote as well. But it never hurts to ask.

Good luck! :rofl1:

waiting waiting waiting.....

I have not patience! LOL.

What proof do you have the vasectomy was actually done. Also vasectomy's in human males are not 100% effective.

you would have the same proof as a neuter, a document signed by the vet who did the surgery.

And I think the AKC is more worried that BYBs will use any titles earned while using the PAL/ILP to promote the sale of their puppies... so while the tubes do sometimes grow back, you are showing that you have no intention on breeding the dog in the first place by getting it done.

Whether neutered or not, no dog with an ILP number can be used for breeding a registered litter.

I think they might ok it, depending upon the circumstance - why a vasectomy vs a neuter? Depends on who's handling it I guess. I know of someone with a guide dog breeder dog who was issued an ILP so she could compete with the dog - it was active in the breeding program, so had to remain intact.

ooooOOOOoooo! That's a good story to know about!

I was on the fence about neutering before because of health reasons, but now that I'm doing a research paper on it... I feel pretty strongly about not.

Did you know there is actually 75 mil out there for the first person who can create a pill that will make animals sterile. Obviously, there are different amounts for where in the process you are, but still....

I didn't vote because I don't know anything about those rules and stuff. But I wish you good luck. That is very interesting about the pill idea. It will probably have some awful side effects though.

Oh, I'm sure the first version most definatly will. It will prob be years after finding a pill that does work before anything "safe" will come to market.

A piece of paper means nothing really in my opinion. I know when a dog is neutered without looking at a piece of paper, I do not know when a dog has had a vasectomy. Just because a vet can declare it was done does not mean it actually has been done. I'm sure there are crooked vets out in the world just as their are crooked politicians.

A piece of paper is all you'd have to prove a spay though.

Not to mention, while there probably are some vets that would do it for the right price, that's a LOT of hassel to go through just so you can compete in AKC events.

You can't get a CH, you can't register litters.... ALL you can do is compete in their flyball, agility, rally, etc...

I'm not really sure anyone would go through THAT much trouble(and risk their license as a vet) for such a meaningless thing.

I can compete in other venues without issue, AKC just happens to have more events local to me...

True but if required for further proof a CRT or MRI exam can prove a spay. On a neuter just the naked eye will know.

but again, this is for a PAL/ILP listing. It's not anywhere NEAR worth the hassel of ordering any of that.

And do you think the AKC would make every female dog registering have to undergo and send them the films of such expensive scans? Absolutely Not! They'd get no female applicants. and it's really just a huge waste of time and money on everyone's part.

This listing ONLY allows you to compete in their sport venues, that's it. It's not worth lying over, especially on the part of the vet who would have to sign off that he did the procedure. Why risk your license so a dog can go into an AKC agility trial when said dog could just as easily go into a USDAA trial?

If a vet lies about it, he can lose his license and probably more. If the dog's owner lies about it, they can be suspended from AKC at the least. There's isn't likely a lot of falsifying docs to get an ILP ~ beyond claiming the dog is a breed other than he is because he's either not purebred or his real breed isn't accepted by AKC. If you don't want to really alter your dog but you want to compete, go find some ASCA trials.

CP, I know I can compete in other venues.

It just happens that there are more AKC competitions going on much closer to home... so I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask if they'd accept that. This way when we're at the point of being able to compete I would be more able to hit 2 or more a month instead of only 1.

That comment wasn't at all directed at you...it was commenting on the idea that people would lie about whether or not their dog was sterilized.

ohhhhhhh! ok.

yeah, I mentioned that too. It's definatly NOT worth the risk for anyone(esp a vet) to lie about something like that just so that they can compete in an AKC event.