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We must be seeing different things. I saw Bobo coming off the bite. He wasn't dragging anything. The sleeve was practically being force fed to him. Then he finally takes the sleeve and carries it around- when he should be going back after the man if he's still in the area. What is their area of defense- 3 feet? GSDs will continue to try and get the man no matter how far away he gets, until called off.
That obedience might be good for that dog but it's not good in general. I've seen OB on a lot of dogs- not just GSD. My OB trainer has a CDX standard poodle and in my group for training were several CDX dogs- none of them GSDs. I know what good obedience is. Attentive heeling, straight sits and downs, enthusiastic recalls- didn't see any of that from that dog, sorry.
You are welcome to come here and take a live bite from my dog too- what does that prove? I already acknowledged your dogs are good at territorial protection. Your dog will mess me up, my dog will mess you up. Can we get off this sleeve thing? My dog could care less about a sleeve. I've trained many scenarios with him where he gets the sleeve and the decoy comes after me, he drops the sleeve and goes right after the man. It does not end with him getting the sleeve. Many other GSDs I've worked with are the same way. I can alert him on any person at any time, people who don't have sleeves. I get suspicious people walking around my neighborhood sometimes. One word, he's on alert and is barking at the person. They leave. Protection isn't always about biting someone- it's about making the threat go away. You should know that.
I never said my friends Bouv was unstable. She's very stable. He just doesn't trust her, even tho' she has a CGC. Maybe he's just a little more careful taking a dog with a certain genetic background into places that are out of their element.
I fully understand what is involved with TDI as our Dane will be certified as a TDI dog as soon as my wife takes her for her test. One of my former trainers was a TDI evaluator and wanted my GSD to do it as well. He'd easily pass the tests, as will the Dane.
From the defensiveness of your posts, it sounds like you are the one living in the bubble. You think that someone who hasn't been around dogs as long as you can't know anything, but if you got out of your bubble you'd realize that a lot of us have mentors and trainers who have been around more dogs than you have and have accomplished more.
That obedience might be good for that dog but it's not good in general. I've seen OB on a lot of dogs- not just GSD. My OB trainer has a CDX standard poodle and in my group for training were several CDX dogs- none of them GSDs. I know what good obedience is. Attentive heeling, straight sits and downs, enthusiastic recalls- didn't see any of that from that dog, sorry.
You are welcome to come here and take a live bite from my dog too- what does that prove? I already acknowledged your dogs are good at territorial protection. Your dog will mess me up, my dog will mess you up. Can we get off this sleeve thing? My dog could care less about a sleeve. I've trained many scenarios with him where he gets the sleeve and the decoy comes after me, he drops the sleeve and goes right after the man. It does not end with him getting the sleeve. Many other GSDs I've worked with are the same way. I can alert him on any person at any time, people who don't have sleeves. I get suspicious people walking around my neighborhood sometimes. One word, he's on alert and is barking at the person. They leave. Protection isn't always about biting someone- it's about making the threat go away. You should know that.
I never said my friends Bouv was unstable. She's very stable. He just doesn't trust her, even tho' she has a CGC. Maybe he's just a little more careful taking a dog with a certain genetic background into places that are out of their element.
I fully understand what is involved with TDI as our Dane will be certified as a TDI dog as soon as my wife takes her for her test. One of my former trainers was a TDI evaluator and wanted my GSD to do it as well. He'd easily pass the tests, as will the Dane.
From the defensiveness of your posts, it sounds like you are the one living in the bubble. You think that someone who hasn't been around dogs as long as you can't know anything, but if you got out of your bubble you'd realize that a lot of us have mentors and trainers who have been around more dogs than you have and have accomplished more.
Point is you play games every weekend u do a sport u may compete.
Dogs that protect from HOME do not PRACTICE on sleeves they do NOt NEED A FULL MOUTH BITE TO stop A INTRUDER.
And truth me it told if a 20 year old broke man breaks in for the TV I do not want him torn apart or his arm broken.
I also dont have to be present to command my dogs to protect.
Point is your dogs are trained and are sleeve happy.
I would be happy to take a bite from your dog in your arena wearing a sleeve .
I have not doubt he will ful bite the has been trained LONG time to do this.
NOW you come steal my TV no sleeve .Tell me you would fight my dogs for that TV with no sleeve. Since burglars do not stop at dog supply stores to suit up prior to robbing raping or murdering.
Logic well for us logic people.
Defensive the fact that YOU do not KNOW my breed and you make total WRONG statements despite proof showing they are more than STABLE.
And compare me to UNTRUSTABLE dogs . AHHH why would i take offense.
UGH.
Shows you lack of character not the GSD,
LOL a TDI dog that cant be trusted is stable.?:rofl1:
DID you read that statement after your wrote. It condradicts itself making it mute like most of your valid less points,
Dogs that protect from HOME do not PRACTICE on sleeves they do NOt NEED A FULL MOUTH BITE TO stop A INTRUDER.
And truth me it told if a 20 year old broke man breaks in for the TV I do not want him torn apart or his arm broken.
I also dont have to be present to command my dogs to protect.
Point is your dogs are trained and are sleeve happy.
I would be happy to take a bite from your dog in your arena wearing a sleeve .
I have not doubt he will ful bite the has been trained LONG time to do this.
NOW you come steal my TV no sleeve .Tell me you would fight my dogs for that TV with no sleeve. Since burglars do not stop at dog supply stores to suit up prior to robbing raping or murdering.
Logic well for us logic people.
Defensive the fact that YOU do not KNOW my breed and you make total WRONG statements despite proof showing they are more than STABLE.
And compare me to UNTRUSTABLE dogs . AHHH why would i take offense.
UGH.
Shows you lack of character not the GSD,
LOL a TDI dog that cant be trusted is stable.?:rofl1:
DID you read that statement after your wrote. It condradicts itself making it mute like most of your valid less points,
I think a big part of PM's point is that you don't have to "train" the LGD dogs she has, they just know what to do. Somehow that makes them better than our dogs, even though it's one thing.
There are a lot of dogs that do one thing better than the GSD. Better protectors, better herders, better guardians, better trackers, faster runners, higher jumpers. A GSD is like having a student who gets all B's, vs one who gets an A at one subject and gets C-D-Fs on the rest.
There are a lot of dogs that do one thing better than the GSD. Better protectors, better herders, better guardians, better trackers, faster runners, higher jumpers. A GSD is like having a student who gets all B's, vs one who gets an A at one subject and gets C-D-Fs on the rest.
Fran yes a dog that is trained to bite a arm with a sleeve will indeed bite a arm and hold with no sleeve present. read my pos never said they wouldnt
I said my dogs who do not get the same grips a GSD does based on SLEEEEVE training,
Would STOP any man who came into the house with NO training.
And that with out protection the bite of this dog half way will STOP a man period.
That is a fact and if dan wants to prove that he could get past my dogs with no suit with their half ass bites by golly im game he is not,
Yep just anyone is going past this because he does not take the sleeve like a GSD,
For a sport once test developed for GSDs.
I have showed proof they will bite, I showed proof same dogs are more than trustable and stable. And are not hyper or over reactive to anyone if socialized.
Yet He wont take back his comments at min about my dogs.
Go back to the Guardian thread even after he assumed and made wrong statement
I said he has a nice dog and i know a good protection trained dog. and he is stunning.
Difference between me and Dan I do not respond to his pics of his breed by comparing them to mine. HE DOES which is saying a orange tastes like a apple since they are both fruits.
I said my dogs who do not get the same grips a GSD does based on SLEEEEVE training,
Would STOP any man who came into the house with NO training.
And that with out protection the bite of this dog half way will STOP a man period.
That is a fact and if dan wants to prove that he could get past my dogs with no suit with their half ass bites by golly im game he is not,
Yep just anyone is going past this because he does not take the sleeve like a GSD,
For a sport once test developed for GSDs.
I have showed proof they will bite, I showed proof same dogs are more than trustable and stable. And are not hyper or over reactive to anyone if socialized.
Yet He wont take back his comments at min about my dogs.
Go back to the Guardian thread even after he assumed and made wrong statement
I said he has a nice dog and i know a good protection trained dog. and he is stunning.
Difference between me and Dan I do not respond to his pics of his breed by comparing them to mine. HE DOES which is saying a orange tastes like a apple since they are both fruits.
I'm really starting to think your reading comprehension isn't all there, either that or you read the parts of my posts that you want to read and make your own summary of it.
Where did I say a TDI dog was unstable? No where! I said my friend doesn't 100% trust his Bouv who has a CGC. How that got to TDI I have no idea.
You don't know my dog at all yet you make statements that he's sleeve happy. You say you'll take a bite from him with a sleeve but want me to take a bite from yours without? What kind of offer is that? Come take a bite without a sleeve!
I don't care if some crackhead breaks into my house to steal my stuff- stuff can be replaced. My dog is there to protect my family. Try to harm someone in my family- anywhere- not just at my house- my dog will be all over you, no sleeve needed. Like I already said protection isn't always about biting, it's about elminating a threat. If my dog shows aggression at my command towards someone who has the intent to harm me, and that person goes away, then he's done his job. No bite needed. Not all of our training is based on biting, a lot of it is based on addressing and stopping threats. No sleeve or suit needed for that.
You can keep insulting me all you want, I have a strong back and can take it. It only shows your lack of intelligence and ability to carry on a conversation with someone.
Where did I say a TDI dog was unstable? No where! I said my friend doesn't 100% trust his Bouv who has a CGC. How that got to TDI I have no idea.
You don't know my dog at all yet you make statements that he's sleeve happy. You say you'll take a bite from him with a sleeve but want me to take a bite from yours without? What kind of offer is that? Come take a bite without a sleeve!
I don't care if some crackhead breaks into my house to steal my stuff- stuff can be replaced. My dog is there to protect my family. Try to harm someone in my family- anywhere- not just at my house- my dog will be all over you, no sleeve needed. Like I already said protection isn't always about biting, it's about elminating a threat. If my dog shows aggression at my command towards someone who has the intent to harm me, and that person goes away, then he's done his job. No bite needed. Not all of our training is based on biting, a lot of it is based on addressing and stopping threats. No sleeve or suit needed for that.
You can keep insulting me all you want, I have a strong back and can take it. It only shows your lack of intelligence and ability to carry on a conversation with someone.
Fran yes a dog that is trained to bite a arm with a sleeve will indeed bite a arm and hold with no sleeve present. read my pos never said they wouldnt
I said my dogs who do not get the same grips a GSD does based on SLEEEEVE training,
Would STOP any man who came into the house with NO training.
And that with out protection the bite of this dog half way will STOP a man period.
That is a fact and if dan wants to prove that he could get past my dogs with no suit with their half ass bites by golly im game he is not,
Yep just anyone is going past this because he does not take the sleeve like a GSD,
For a sport once test developed for GSDs.
I have showed proof they will bite, I showed proof same dogs are more than trustable and stable. And are not hyper or over reactive to anyone if socialized.
Yet He wont take back his comments at min about my dogs.
Go back to the Guardian thread even after he assumed and made wrong statement
I said he has a nice dog and i know a good protection trained dog. and he is stunning.
Difference between me and Dan I do not respond to his pics of his breed by comparing them to mine. HE DOES which is saying a orange tastes like a apple since they are both fruits.
I said my dogs who do not get the same grips a GSD does based on SLEEEEVE training,
Would STOP any man who came into the house with NO training.
And that with out protection the bite of this dog half way will STOP a man period.
That is a fact and if dan wants to prove that he could get past my dogs with no suit with their half ass bites by golly im game he is not,
Yep just anyone is going past this because he does not take the sleeve like a GSD,
For a sport once test developed for GSDs.
I have showed proof they will bite, I showed proof same dogs are more than trustable and stable. And are not hyper or over reactive to anyone if socialized.
Yet He wont take back his comments at min about my dogs.
Go back to the Guardian thread even after he assumed and made wrong statement
I said he has a nice dog and i know a good protection trained dog. and he is stunning.
Difference between me and Dan I do not respond to his pics of his breed by comparing them to mine. HE DOES which is saying a orange tastes like a apple since they are both fruits.
Why would I try to get past your dogs on your property- I already said they do a good job at guarding, no need for me to test that without a suit or sleeve is there?
Next time you go tell me like to look at the pics so i can know the face if I run into you... I checked out the sept found a kangal.
Can you tell me which one had a CAS? ravenna ohio may or july?
This summer we had CAS showing In <MASS, NJ, VA, GA, Ny, Canada, and Denver plus CA. Most ever. Everthing went well but for a newbie in California.
Some of the dogs showing are the new Ovcharka type normally white with or without spots.
I dont breed for uniformity or for new show types. If you see a dog from me it will be richly colored. I have 3 yellows but no whites.
Thanks JD
Can you tell me which one had a CAS? ravenna ohio may or july?
This summer we had CAS showing In <MASS, NJ, VA, GA, Ny, Canada, and Denver plus CA. Most ever. Everthing went well but for a newbie in California.
Some of the dogs showing are the new Ovcharka type normally white with or without spots.
I dont breed for uniformity or for new show types. If you see a dog from me it will be richly colored. I have 3 yellows but no whites.
Thanks JD
I never SAID they are BETTER. Pls stop lying,
Any chance when you are wrong you stating you are mistaken?.
I have recommended GSD before the guardian thread and after the guardian thread. I am not in the habit of recommending a breed that I do not believe can do what the persons wnats.
In fact you are the one that is saying your dog your breed is better by constantly and i mean constantly making WRONG statements based on NO work wiht LGDS let alone my specific breed.
You compare them to a test now sport created for the GSD.
Yet you claim I say BETTER. By going after the Bites the CAS did take and saying they are not good enough for your SPORT when in fact they were good enough to protect the nomads for thousands of years. Yet they are downgraded every time a sport person views a comment about natural protection.
My opinion on GSD is from real work not net chat.
If you want to blame me for all the ills of the GSD world fine if that what it takes to make you sleep at nite go for it.
Any chance when you are wrong you stating you are mistaken?.
I have recommended GSD before the guardian thread and after the guardian thread. I am not in the habit of recommending a breed that I do not believe can do what the persons wnats.
In fact you are the one that is saying your dog your breed is better by constantly and i mean constantly making WRONG statements based on NO work wiht LGDS let alone my specific breed.
You compare them to a test now sport created for the GSD.
Yet you claim I say BETTER. By going after the Bites the CAS did take and saying they are not good enough for your SPORT when in fact they were good enough to protect the nomads for thousands of years. Yet they are downgraded every time a sport person views a comment about natural protection.
My opinion on GSD is from real work not net chat.
If you want to blame me for all the ills of the GSD world fine if that what it takes to make you sleep at nite go for it.
Again god wow.
Ok the threads have been about guarding _NOT PSI not POINTS NOT SChuzand!!.
You using your knowledge of what a correct bite is - is based on SPORT .
I dont sell SPORT dogs period!!!!!!
I sell territory protection dogs period!!!!!!!
We use TESTING like the first GSD did to see if they will Bite, if they will oFF and how long it takes them to recover and turn off. We do NOT do SPort!!!
And please tell me why you wont come get a free hit if the amount of sleeve they take is not enough to stop a intruder?.
Anyone who knows LGDS know that after thr first or second time being put into defense they figure out this is not real life this is a game. ANd on many occasions depending on te tester do NOT give the same reaction they do when real life occurs.
If you agree the can protect why in gods name are we still comparing apples to oranges?
PS Bobo is Coz grand son yellow dog his sire is from a security line COld war Meat factory guard. The dogs pedigrees were listed based on function not show before the Russian kennel federation was formed and got into FCI.
Today some diehards refuse to reg with RKF FCI and keep pedigrees based on work,
Bear Sire TT Protection Tan Security line
FF Pebbles mo CGC working lgd
FF Bobo CGC
Grand Dam Ali CGC TDI TAN TT Titled OKD KS protection line Uzbekistan
Grand Sire Coz CGC TDI TAN TT protection Workking LGD from france, sire frm Siberian Mink Factory guard , mom line Kooche dog from nomads.
Its not the odd thing to have selected for stable working temps,
Not ever dog I have is a guard dog some are watch dogs and they are fixed.
Ok the threads have been about guarding _NOT PSI not POINTS NOT SChuzand!!.
You using your knowledge of what a correct bite is - is based on SPORT .
I dont sell SPORT dogs period!!!!!!
I sell territory protection dogs period!!!!!!!
We use TESTING like the first GSD did to see if they will Bite, if they will oFF and how long it takes them to recover and turn off. We do NOT do SPort!!!
And please tell me why you wont come get a free hit if the amount of sleeve they take is not enough to stop a intruder?.
Anyone who knows LGDS know that after thr first or second time being put into defense they figure out this is not real life this is a game. ANd on many occasions depending on te tester do NOT give the same reaction they do when real life occurs.
If you agree the can protect why in gods name are we still comparing apples to oranges?
PS Bobo is Coz grand son yellow dog his sire is from a security line COld war Meat factory guard. The dogs pedigrees were listed based on function not show before the Russian kennel federation was formed and got into FCI.
Today some diehards refuse to reg with RKF FCI and keep pedigrees based on work,
Bear Sire TT Protection Tan Security line
FF Pebbles mo CGC working lgd
FF Bobo CGC
Grand Dam Ali CGC TDI TAN TT Titled OKD KS protection line Uzbekistan
Grand Sire Coz CGC TDI TAN TT protection Workking LGD from france, sire frm Siberian Mink Factory guard , mom line Kooche dog from nomads.
Its not the odd thing to have selected for stable working temps,
Not ever dog I have is a guard dog some are watch dogs and they are fixed.
Dan a TDI dog is supposed to be the MOST trusted ,
When you responded to me posting that i have 2 TDI dogs.
With if someone fell watch out? because your friend says his TDI dog is not trustable to be petted.
NOt trustable to be petted after a TDI is UNSTABLE!!!!!!
I have been bit by unstable GSDs does that mean yours are unstable.?
You used a Bourvier to compare at least ive worked with your breed.
When you responded to me posting that i have 2 TDI dogs.
With if someone fell watch out? because your friend says his TDI dog is not trustable to be petted.
NOt trustable to be petted after a TDI is UNSTABLE!!!!!!
I have been bit by unstable GSDs does that mean yours are unstable.?
You used a Bourvier to compare at least ive worked with your breed.
I love GSDs and I love hearing about and learning about CAS because honestly, its a breed I knew nothing about until I joined this forum
I dont know why its like you have to choose lol this isn't deal or no deal
both are different and good in their own aspects, theres no BETTER.
one is extremely popular and the other is not. thats the only real difference
and with popularity..comes its problems lol
I dont know why its like you have to choose lol this isn't deal or no deal
both are different and good in their own aspects, theres no BETTER.
one is extremely popular and the other is not. thats the only real difference
and with popularity..comes its problems lol
Well if all CAS owners are this insulting, they'll forever be crossed off my list.
If you're going to compete in a sport like bite-work (schutzhund) as a SPORT (not PP, those are 2 different things) then do it well, those bites aren't full mouthed and won't win you any points...
If you intend to show that as breed ability, show it as to the best of their ability. It's fine you have a dog that will get the sleeve in the videos ( you never said if it's your dog ,I'm assuming it's not) good, but the bites are poor...why would you show that video except that people who don't know the difference see it as impressive, smoke and mirrors.
I have no doubt the dogs do what they are bred to do, but being insulting and such gets nobody anywhere.
My GSD is territorial protective. She's tried nailing several people for inviting themselves in my house...so what? Who cares?! I'd much prefer a dog that didn't take it upon themselves to jump into the situation. I want a dog as a companion, not because I"m too afraid to be on my own property...that's what I have a gun for.
To me, all a dog needs to do is bark and wake me up, end of story...I'm not sending my dog in to do MY work and risk their life. That's like taking a knife to a gun fight.
We do schutzhund training, because it's good exercise, it's fun, and appeals to us both. Will my dog bite without a sleeve without training...YES, she has nailed an intruder before and cornered one of my friends who invited themselves in. Yes, I can call her off as well, 100%. Will all GSD's do that? No, will all "protection" breeds do that? NO!
It's like drive, either they got it, or they don't.
If you're going to compete in a sport like bite-work (schutzhund) as a SPORT (not PP, those are 2 different things) then do it well, those bites aren't full mouthed and won't win you any points...
If you intend to show that as breed ability, show it as to the best of their ability. It's fine you have a dog that will get the sleeve in the videos ( you never said if it's your dog ,I'm assuming it's not) good, but the bites are poor...why would you show that video except that people who don't know the difference see it as impressive, smoke and mirrors.
I have no doubt the dogs do what they are bred to do, but being insulting and such gets nobody anywhere.
My GSD is territorial protective. She's tried nailing several people for inviting themselves in my house...so what? Who cares?! I'd much prefer a dog that didn't take it upon themselves to jump into the situation. I want a dog as a companion, not because I"m too afraid to be on my own property...that's what I have a gun for.
To me, all a dog needs to do is bark and wake me up, end of story...I'm not sending my dog in to do MY work and risk their life. That's like taking a knife to a gun fight.
We do schutzhund training, because it's good exercise, it's fun, and appeals to us both. Will my dog bite without a sleeve without training...YES, she has nailed an intruder before and cornered one of my friends who invited themselves in. Yes, I can call her off as well, 100%. Will all GSD's do that? No, will all "protection" breeds do that? NO!
It's like drive, either they got it, or they don't.
PM
you picked this fight in the guardian thread. you essentially called the GSD crap, said they had no protection instinct & wouldn't take a full bite. now that they are critiqueing your videos you claim a full bite isn't necessary and getting even more bent about the abilities of your breed. just a bit to anyone don't pick fights unless your prepared to accept the consequences to include getting your butt handed to you.
i must admit this is a shocking new side of you. I am at a loss as on the other boards i've never seen you attack anyone/anything so aggressively and be so blatantly wrong.
can we all just agree a good GSD is a capable protector and a good CAS is also a capable protector, crap is crap regardless of breed and let it go.
you picked this fight in the guardian thread. you essentially called the GSD crap, said they had no protection instinct & wouldn't take a full bite. now that they are critiqueing your videos you claim a full bite isn't necessary and getting even more bent about the abilities of your breed. just a bit to anyone don't pick fights unless your prepared to accept the consequences to include getting your butt handed to you.
i must admit this is a shocking new side of you. I am at a loss as on the other boards i've never seen you attack anyone/anything so aggressively and be so blatantly wrong.
can we all just agree a good GSD is a capable protector and a good CAS is also a capable protector, crap is crap regardless of breed and let it go.
Again you cant quote one wrong thing or one insult I made about the GSD.
And as expected you went into MY I DOG GSD. I did not use MY I dog.
It became about each GSD dogs owned here long ago .
Instead being able to disprove the prey vs defense vs self preservation vs drives.
Everyone went into MY dog can do this and my dog can do that.
yet we all know they do not represent the breed as a whole.
I quoted standard profiles history and GSD people went off thinking every time some said that GSD are not born biting full sleeves and not all GSD are naturally protective, or that they herd and do not take FULL mouth bites of SHeep, and that herding/prey drive can give the impression the dog is biting but in fact they are nipping from behind to move the sheep and some herding dogs will herd anything inc humans.
NOT one negative or completely off base thing you will FIND about GSD I said.
Yet you will find tons of wrong info posted about drives and the CAS fro GSD people and not one opps I was wrong ever posted.
So if you consider correcting wrong info that can cause BSL rude.
Then im VERY RUDE thank you so much. And im in good company here
I have over 44 emails calls pvt messages from chaz members aggreeing with me, thanking me for info.But dont wish to lose friends who own GSD and take every comment personal.
ive asked them not to stick up for me no need too . But I asked moderators to remove he entire thead. They said it should stay. So it must be helping someone.
Truth is the mark of any good breeder is not how well liked they are,
And as expected you went into MY I DOG GSD. I did not use MY I dog.
It became about each GSD dogs owned here long ago .
Instead being able to disprove the prey vs defense vs self preservation vs drives.
Everyone went into MY dog can do this and my dog can do that.
yet we all know they do not represent the breed as a whole.
I quoted standard profiles history and GSD people went off thinking every time some said that GSD are not born biting full sleeves and not all GSD are naturally protective, or that they herd and do not take FULL mouth bites of SHeep, and that herding/prey drive can give the impression the dog is biting but in fact they are nipping from behind to move the sheep and some herding dogs will herd anything inc humans.
NOT one negative or completely off base thing you will FIND about GSD I said.
Yet you will find tons of wrong info posted about drives and the CAS fro GSD people and not one opps I was wrong ever posted.
So if you consider correcting wrong info that can cause BSL rude.
Then im VERY RUDE thank you so much. And im in good company here
I have over 44 emails calls pvt messages from chaz members aggreeing with me, thanking me for info.But dont wish to lose friends who own GSD and take every comment personal.
ive asked them not to stick up for me no need too . But I asked moderators to remove he entire thead. They said it should stay. So it must be helping someone.
Truth is the mark of any good breeder is not how well liked they are,
Guess you dont visit chat? Sorry my ass is doing fine.
One person wrote tehy were ging to get a GSD and that they wont now.
They like the breed they do not like the competiness posted..
And you cant quote ONE thing wrote calling GSD crap.
And you miss all the great tings I wrote and the fact I had REAL Partners of the GSD variety.
Please by all means PROVE ONE THING WRONG????
I will donate money to chaz rescue if you can prove beyond a doubt anything I said about GSD.
One person wrote tehy were ging to get a GSD and that they wont now.
They like the breed they do not like the competiness posted..
And you cant quote ONE thing wrote calling GSD crap.
And you miss all the great tings I wrote and the fact I had REAL Partners of the GSD variety.
Please by all means PROVE ONE THING WRONG????
I will donate money to chaz rescue if you can prove beyond a doubt anything I said about GSD.