Yes I know the pedigrees but the were reg as pure Presa with some mastiff blood behind them. Sadly the damage was done.
RE to GSDS Ive been bitten by failed police dog, ive worked with several k9 partner. Hosted a PP trail and spent many a weekend with GSDs at PP club.
GSD are NOT born with knowledge of full grips they are trained via tools- run after tug toe and to stay on toy with tugging- then puppy sleeve then full sleeve. They do naturally play tug but are not full front and back teeth bites at birth either.
GSDS used as HERDING dogs have their fangs FILED down due to the damage they cause when they NATURALLY Nip the sheep from behind. They were/ are a herding breed not a bite force police breed. Can u inagine they gripped ever sheep with a full bite? NO mre sheep.
Defense dogs as a general rue dont use front teeth , they do re grip but anytime you want to take a bite which is NEVER a full in your throat fiting grip due to natural self preservation in working breeds that protect better than trained dogs in real life.
Self preservation means holding on to ONE arm allows the bear or the bad guy to shoot dog the dog knick the dog or take off its head.
Loose dog defense bad man. DOg charges and bluffs - putting a display worse than any chase a herding dog can do. Then they knck bad guy down to their level with a tooth butt, giving hem a chance to back off. Bad guy wont. Then they bite thrassh back and fouth with heads the size of bears and hooked teeth much bigger than most, backed up with a body of a Molosser in this case of 140-Plus pounds some 170.
Much harder to take a shot when you are knocked down and are getting redirect bites. Plus when you test a defense dog VS train a herding dog.
They know the sleeve is fake, they redirect cause the bad guy is staying there and they look for a spot that makes them go away. They are learned thru trips to PP guy that the sleeve is all they get and they settle for it.
1st time defense dogs generally jump over the sleeve and go for shoulder.
Defense dogs also are NOT hyped up before after or during PP work.
They turn off asap as threat is gone. They rarely cary sleeve off field since this not NOT a game. They dont want the reward of the toy hense sleeve they want the bad guy to STOP being bad.
Which is why some guardians are naturally protection dogs vs trained.
This is the founder of SCH club of buffal and was a key founder n he SCh club of American Owen Tober RIP
Since I dont want to leave false impression that they are monsters
This is same dog in Petco very social only defeneive when needs to be
YouTube - Working dogs go to Pet Store well socialized Central Asian shepherd