How do you qualify homes for your puppies?

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For those of you who work with rescues and say you wont adopt to someone who isnt of legal age... what is the youngest you will ACTUALLY adopt to.

I got Cali when I was 19 and lied in order to get her to be completley honest... I made it seem like I lived with my parents and we were adopting her as a family and then I took her to live with me.

But at 21 I inquired about dog rescues and no one would even look at my application because I was "too young". That is why I ended up not getting a rescue when I got Armani.

So anyway what is the youngest age you would adopt to and why?
 

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This applies to when we were breeding, and to the rescue I work for now...

Do you use a questionnaire?
Yep, in both cases.

Do you keep a waiting list?
Breeding: We had an "unofficial" waiting list.
Rescue: No, but we do have an "approved adopters" list.

If you have a breed with special considerations, such as a working or high energy herding breed, how do you make sure the homes you select are prepared for such a dog?
Questions, questions, questions. Most of our RRs were working dogs, and needed working homes, so they were adopted out into homes that had lots of experience with the breed.

Does what has happened to the previous dogs of prospective buyers enter into your decision making process?
Of course.

Do you or have you sold dogs to persons who are not of legal age?
Nope.

Why or why not?
In breeding, we never had anyone approach us that was under 18, and in rescue, it's the rescue's policy.
 

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Ok, all you breeders out there, let's discuss how you qualify and select homes for your puppies.

Do you use a questionnaire?
no all puppy homes are known to us personally and through our hunt club
Do you keep a waiting list?
We always waited until we had enough interest from fellow members of our hunt club/friends/family

If you have a breed with special considerations, such as a working or high energy herding breed, how do you make sure the homes you select are prepared for such a dog?
we know them and hunt with them personally

Does what has happened to the previous dogs of prospective buyers enter into your decision making process?
yes
Do you or have you sold dogs to persons who are not of legal age?

Why or why not?
Yes we sold pick of our litter to one of my best friends little sisters. She needed a new hunting buddy and loves Tytus and Ellie Mae the puppies would complement her breeding prospects in her line and that is just a recent example.

Any person who gets on of our puppies is known to us personally at least 10 or more years at that. We know who is good for our pups and who is not. It is VERY rare we adopt to someone out of the hunt club.
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TALKING and taking the time and seeing a potential puppy buyer, as a person not a dollar sign, or a number, ior a credit score, or someone handy to watch "your" dog for you because you can't keep them all on your property...*eyeroll*

I'm sorry I see no need to make placing a puppy like pulling teeth. A simple enforceable contract and your gut are all you need.
:hail: Thank you, thank you, thank you! I can't believe how many are so protective of the pups they breed even when they've left the breeders. Yes, stay in caontact with your buyers and be willing to take back the pup if something happends (doesn't matter how old) but SSN# and DL#? No way. You can have my email, address, phone number, cell number, and even contacts of trainers/vet (my breeder knew my trainer).


I'm suprised at how many people responded "never had anyone approach us that was under 18". Maybe thats just me though....I'm also suprised at how many people aren't willing to sell (register the dog in their name) to people under 18. That, actually, is VERY sad IMO. Your not helping the younger generation if you continue to do this. How will they know what a reputate breeder is? How will they ever have someone mentor them or answer questions they might have about your breed?

In no means am I saying sell to the first younger person that contacts you. But if they've done the research to find you and email you, that should atleast tell you something.
 

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:hail: Thank you, thank you, thank you! I can't believe how many are so protective of the pups they breed even when they've left the breeders. Yes, stay in caontact with your buyers and be willing to take back the pup if something happends (doesn't matter how old) but SSN# and DL#? No way. You can have my email, address, phone number, cell number, and even contacts of trainers/vet (my breeder knew my trainer).


I'm suprised at how many people responded "never had anyone approach us that was under 18". Maybe thats just me though....I'm also suprised at how many people aren't willing to sell (register the dog in their name) to people under 18. That, actually, is VERY sad IMO. Your not helping the younger generation if you continue to do this. How will they know what a reputate breeder is? How will they ever have someone mentor them or answer questions they might have about your breed?

In no means am I saying sell to the first younger person that contacts you. But if they've done the research to find you and email you, that should atleast tell you something.
Lizmo, even at 21 it is hard to get breeders to sell to you. Even me at 21 having had 3 family papillons, been involved in dog showing, with other breeder references, handler references, vet refs, etc... I could not get a dog from most breeders I contacted.

I was just 'too young' and 'unsettled'. I understand the concern, I really do but I am not the kind of person to dump a dog during a transition. I'm just not. I wish I'd have gotten a chance to prove this.

A papillon rescue was out of the question from a breed rescue. They would not approve of my lifestyle right now.

The ONLY reason I got Summer was because I knew her breeder already. That and her breeder is one that will work with you. She loves helping SERIOUS juniors get into the breed. She's always interested in teaching a newbie the ropes of grooming or handling or whatever.

I understand why rules are set in place but I wish more rescues would look at things case by case. We would've never been able to get a puppy from many places (rescue or breeder) when we got Beau- why? Because Josie was 6 and apparently most places don't adopt out to families with kids under 10? Josie was absolutely fantastic with the puppies. Luckily our breeder invited us over to see how she'd handle being around a small dog before writing us off right off the bat.

Honestly, find a breeder that's willing to work with you because those are the ones you'll want to stay in touch with later on.

But it all worked out great because Summer is the best dog ever. :cool:
 

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Around here, most rentals require a credit application - with all of that information.
Yep. But I have a private rental. A letter from the firm stating how much a made and a couple references was enough.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean you should give it out freely, but you should be aware that it isn't the big deal we're led to believe it is.

And, to put things in perspective, ONE breeder who has your SS# isn't likely to loose your number out into the public as say, Citibank or BankAmerica is to *lose* hundreds of thousands of full SS#s and bank account IDs all in one fell swoop ;) So it comes down to the question of how badly do you want a puppy from that particular breeder? Make up your own mind from there.

Straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel sort of thing
True. But to be blunt, its the PRINCIPLE of the thing. Its not your business any more than how I lost my virginity is. By asking, you are declaring that a) you don't trust me, b) I can't trust you, or c) you are the sort of neurotic, controlling person who I can't stand, or (d all of the above. None of these might be true, but its the message you are sending.
 

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Showdogz yes groomer. If I was breeding a breed that required extensive grooming I would want to be darn sure that it was done so a groomer would be required as a reference. Now I will be breeding dobes so that doesnt apply at this moment
Wouldn't that be a problem if it was their first time owning a breed? Just curious there . . . same with their first dog . . what if soemone didnt' have a vet?
 

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I have yet to be approached by a minor (which is under 18 here) But the issue would be that a contract cannot be enforced if the signee is a minor (learned that in my intro to can law)

I don't care about ppl's credit histories. Heck my hubby offered 2X yesterday to put us in debt up to 10 000 dollars yesterday to save my horse. Can we 'afford' that sort of thing? No but we always find the money when we have too. (Riven didn't go for surgery do to the amount of pain she was in, the slim chance of living to make it to the clinic and the 15% survival rates for such surgeries)

I don't care within reason what ppl feed the puppy. I hope not to sell a pup to anyone who thinks ol roy is the way to go. I find most puppy buyers like to feed what I recommend.

I DO care if they disappear to show up later not having neutered the pup and 'threaten' the rescue they will start breeding him. (and now have 14 other JRTs)
 
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Wouldn't that be a problem if it was their first time owning a breed? Just curious there . . . same with their first dog . . what if soemone didnt' have a vet?
With some of the breeders I had looked into if you did not have a groomer or a vet because you had never needed one before you could get a letter from one stating that you had come in and talked to them, etc. Although it may not be 100% indicative of whether you would actually use them it would show that you had at least gone out and put in the effort to find someone near you and learn about their services and prices.

I know a lot of people will get a breed such as a poodle that requires grooming without ever calling a grooming salon... then they find one AFTER they have the dog and say "OMG 60 dollars for a grooming" forget this, I will just shave it down every few months. The problem is that going to the groomer is not only about getting pretty for these dogs... they need their ears cleaned, sanitary clips, etc in order to stay healthy.

I am sure there are breeders who will not work with people "new" to dogs or the breed but that is in my opinion irresponsible because if someone wants this type of dog you are basically saying "go to the pet store or a BYB"
 
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It's really pretty simple. If you don't like the amount/kind of info a breeder is asking for, find another breeder who doesn't require it. It's not the end of the world, and no one is requiring - nor should they - that all breeders follow the same protocols. That's the choice of J'sCrew and Red - and it's your choice to look elsewhere for a puppy.
 

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Wouldn't that be a problem if it was their first time owning a breed? Just curious there . . . same with their first dog . . what if soemone didnt' have a vet?
I would go case by case. If the person asked the right questions and what not then I would decide. As for 1st dog. In most cases a dobe wouldnt be a good choice. I wouldnt write them off entirely. They would have to be local so i can keep close tabs. Case by case
 
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I'm suprised at how many people responded "never had anyone approach us that was under 18". Maybe thats just me though....I'm also suprised at how many people aren't willing to sell (register the dog in their name) to people under 18. That, actually, is VERY sad IMO. Your not helping the younger generation if you continue to do this. How will they know what a reputate breeder is? How will they ever have someone mentor them or answer questions they might have about your breed?
Actually, it's illegal. It is illegal to enter into a contract with a minor.
 
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Also, in regards to the SSN, I wouldn't have a problem giving mine out to the breeder because, by the time I'm ready to buy a pup, I have done EXTENSIVE research on that person anyway. I don't hesitate to ask past owners, exhibitors, handlers, or even people who bred to that person's dog info about them, their breeding program, health and temperament issues etc. Then again, when I go out looking to buy a puppy, I have intentions of showing/competing with and probably breeding it, so I may be doing more research than your average pet home. By the time I have spent that much time finding out about the person, I would trust them with my SSN.
 

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Just because I don't want someone to have my SSN doesn't mean I don't trust them. It just means I don't want them to have my SSN.
 

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lol got thru reading some of the regulations involved for ANYONE collecting SSN's regarding storage...hope y'all have some hefty insurance and legal counsel...cuz if anything ever happens to those people's ID you WILL be a person of interest and you will be made to show exactly how you keep your SSN's and how you dispose of them too. You sure can't just keep them on a puter or in a file cabinet...well, not legally.

For the rest...I've rec'd a lot of feedback so far from my breed lists, etc and the resounding NO is still echoing in my ears....lol. I'm glad to hear is isn't the wave of the future...at least in my breeds.
 

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It's really pretty simple. If you don't like the amount/kind of info a breeder is asking for, find another breeder who doesn't require it. It's not the end of the world, and no one is requiring - nor should they - that all breeders follow the same protocols. That's the choice of J'sCrew and Red - and it's your choice to look elsewhere for a puppy.
Amen! If it makes you uncomfortable no one is forcing you into it. They have their reasons for wanting it and you have every right to refuse.
 
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I don't even have a SSN, so I can't give it ;) ; and that dosen't makes me a person that don't care about animals.


BTW....pet owners deserve to not be giving things out to people they do not know well. Let's not forget that breeders themselves can be twisted, and do things and act in manners that can cause a pet person or anyone...true distress. Always bear that in mind when looking for a pet....it's important you the buyer...get a GOOD vibe from your breeder...and don't be afraid to walk if you don't. Buyers have gut instinct too. ;)
I am sure there are breeders who will not work with people "new" to dogs or the breed but that is in my opinion irresponsible because if someone wants this type of dog you are basically saying "go to the pet store or a BYB"


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Is the true, mostly when you see a breeder's dog ans get in love with the lines they have, and you make the ilution of having one day a dog from them.

Just to be ignorered and trashed when you try to talk to them and they don't even have the interest in hearing you what you want with the dog or wanted to know more information about the puppy or the parents.

Then you think "the idial breeder" is ethier a big snob that's inflated by the titles the dogs won or a puppy miller that whants the money right in the instant with no intentions of given info about the dogs.

That's why many people think breeders are inaprochable and go to a petstore.
 
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That's why many people think breeders are inaprochable and go to a petstore.
unfortunatley that was my point as well.

So many people push going to responsible breeders only and I would never advocate going to a BYB or a pet store but I see why people end up doing it. Everyone had a 1st dog... everyone has to start somewhere and it seems like some breeders are unwilling to work with new people and have a huge list of criteria that most people cant meet and so many rescues are even heading down this road. It is sad.
 

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Showdogz yes groomer. If I was breeding a breed that required extensive grooming I would want to be darn sure that it was done so a groomer would be required as a reference. Now I will be breeding dobes so that doesnt apply at this moment
Ok, got it. I was like wait your having Dobe pups, and I doubt they spend so much time at the groomers, not enough to get a reference. I've gotta say, I havent taken a dog to the groomer in ages, a good brushing an the ocassional bath works just fine.
 

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