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Old 04-24-2013, 11:09 PM
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I hate to admit it because it is WAY less fun than a new dog, but I think a security system is probably a better bet.

Roman doesn't always bark when he should (mind you usually when he barks I just tell him to be quite ), and I know of quite a few other dogs that SHOULD be alert and wary enough to bark in the night, but don't. What happens if you get a dog who's a total bum?? Then you have 4 dogs and you still can't sleep at night. A security system never sleeps, and if it isn't up to snuff you can replace it without feeling guilty .
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:15 PM
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I know nothing about security systems, but I do have lots of 4+ dog experience. And honestly, while sometimes four dogs can seem like a lot, most of the time it's pretty easy and no different than having three in most ways. If the dogs didn't get along then it would definitely be stressful, but mine do all get along and are matched well to eachother. I also have two with lower activity needs which helps make caring for all of them even easier. With that said, I don't know how I would feel if I were the sole caretaker all the time, although I am most of the time. So yeah, if you can afford it, I don't see a big difference between three and four. Food bills might be pretty high though. Adding a fourth here increased food costs surprisingly considerably. Not horribly, but noticeable for sure on the months I pay for everybody.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:48 PM
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I'd recommend a good cur dog probably black mouth, but an ALCBA leopard or currish plott would work too. WORKING houlas are prone to SSA and dominance related aggression but they are also a lot more touchy about strangers coming around uninvited. July & plott hounds are supposed to have some of that as well but not to the same degree as the curs. Also drathaar or German wire hair might fill the bill on your needs.
I wish I had a Jack (houlaXamerican bulldog) for you as he was exactly what you need.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:53 PM
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I am so sorry this is happening to you and your family first and foremost i would get a better security system maybe leave the one you have since he is used to it and have a another one he does not know about since he is probley a cocky *******
another thing instead of a guardian breed how about a small terrier small dogs can be better at alerting my min pin for instance is very alert and is the first to tell me something is amiss i worked for a kennel once and there was a building that housed toy poodles and rotties only it was the poodles who warned the rotties no matter where you entered the building they were truly amazing
and he might feel threatened enough to poison a guardian breed where a alert little dog he might just laugh at how about a cheeky jack russell

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Old 04-25-2013, 12:35 AM
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The SSA is something I'm really concerned about with a lot of breeds. Strider isn't outright SSA, but other males do get on his nerves and he's way less tolerant of their shenanigans than he is with females (who can get away with murder. Well, eating out of his bowl at the same time as him anyway. lol).

I really don't want to have to crate and rotate. Especially since I have two small kids, the younger is at face height with the zois and I don't want them getting caught between two snarking dogs. Especially two big powerful ones. I worked really really hard to eliminate food guarding between the zois specifically for that reason.

Kaia sometimes alerts if she sees something/someone suspicious, but the problem with the zois is when they're asleep, they're dead asleep and totally oblivious to the world. We had several people over today and they slept through it all even though they were in the same room as the visitors. And one time a burglar tried to bust through the front door in broad daylight. It was locked, my sister started screaming bloody murder, and they slept through the entire thing! Even when we brought the police in and chatted with them for about 45 mins. Watchdog fail. lol. Also, the two older zois were raised with Scary Guy so I don't know what they'd do exactly. Strider is afraid of him, Kaia I don't know at this point. I think a third zoi would take cues from the older ones and not do much though.

Putting alarms on the windows too is definitely a good idea. I'll check into those as well!

Kat is still here, Stephy is saving up for a dog-friendly apartment and I'm really glad to have a kuvasz as a house guest at the moment. Long term she's not going to stay though so I'm looking for one of my own. After living with her, I've discovered that I love the breed but the fluffy white coat is super unpractical here in the NW. Poor Kat looked more like a sarplaninac than a kuvasz most of the winter, and never really fully dried out between going outside and inside. If they made smooth coated kuvasz I'd get one in an instant. She's great with my dogs and kids, and actually has run off a couple of prowlers. Kuvasz also aren't terribly interested in tracking, but that's not the top of the list priority.

Unfortunately, her only vice is that she devours socks. I try really hard to keep things picked up, but with the two kids it's impossible to get every single sock. At night she'll find secret socks under rugs, furniture, stuffed behind bookcases (the joys of babies) then she barfs them up a couple of days later. I really don't want her to get an impaction or something so she's confined at night. The kids and I share a room right now and it's too cramped to fit a giant sized crate in addition to the zoi beds.

So far I've sort of narrowed it down to several possible breeds. The most important qualities being:

Gets along with other dogs
Strong watchdog and/or guarding ability
Smooth or medium coat (like a GSD type coat)

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Tracking ability
Prey Drive
Not white
35-110 lbs. Bigger is okay but prefer something I can lift.

Of actual breeds, the SSA potential wiped most of them off the list. And with any of the LGDs, I strongly prefer to raise them from puppies myself.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:39 AM
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Just going to say that rotties usually are not alerting dogs, protection dogs, yes, but they were supposed to work silently. For us out poodle/yorkie mix is defiantly the alerting dog, Diesel barks, Gage (rottie/mastiff mix) investigates and barks if he feels its warranted.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:46 AM
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What brand is your security system? Not your monitoring, but the actual system? If you don't know send me a pic of the keypad and I can look and see what the different kinds of sensors are available for that system that can help you.

If you would like.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:47 AM
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What about a boxer? Gavroche can be downright terrifying, and nothing slips past him. They're a bit on the smaller side, especially if you get a female (which I would recommend, since males can be jerks with other dogs...like Gavroche). Only thing is I don't know if Gavroche's reactions are typical of boxers, since he's my first and I can't even say if he's purebred. He freaking LOVES kids, though, and will protect them with his life if he had to. He hates, hate, HATES water, but jumped in the pool multiple times when my nephew was "in danger" (not really in danger, but Gavroche though he was!). I need to get a video of him barking at church solicitors ones of these days, he's terrifying. And he has GRIP. I would not want to get on this dog's bag side. He's shown an inclination for scenting, too, and I was actually going to start a thread earlier on introducing nosework because he's such a sniffer lol.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:56 AM
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Oh man so many people replied because I took forever writing my reply. lol

Sael, you should know that collies don't bark, they beep. BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

I love them, but for some reason most herding breeds get on my nerves while living with them. Also, ever since Logan humped her Kaia has despised collies. Even girl collies. Breedist. She'd probably get friendly with a collie that became part of the family though.

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As for the cameras, again properly mounted, should have no way for anyone to get near them to vandalize, turn or wreck them without being seen. And with a proper surveillance system and security system a dog would be able to be an alert/protection dog that is kept close to you in the event that a person decides to go for broke and take his chances. As apposed to a dog that is in the yard and easily tampered with, poisoned, shot, let loose anything to put it out of commission.
Awesome! What do the security systems run off of? Like, if the house lost power would the security system fail?

I definitely don't intend for the dog to live outside. My dogs go outside but the don't spend hours and hours unattended or anything. We keep padlocks on the gates around here because of problems with yard prowlers before Kat ran them off and I plan to continue doing that. And keep up with the "don't eat random food outside" training. They'd all be in the house with the family at night for sure.

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I'd recommend a good cur dog probably black mouth, but an ALCBA leopard or currish plott would work too. WORKING houlas are prone to SSA and dominance related aggression but they are also a lot more touchy about strangers coming around uninvited. July & plott hounds are supposed to have some of that as well but not to the same degree as the curs. Also drathaar or German wire hair might fill the bill on your needs.
I wish I had a Jack (houlaXamerican bulldog) for you as he was exactly what you need.
I looked into a working bred cur/hound blend, scent or sight would work if it had alert dog ability. Unfortunately I don't know of anybody around here that has something like that. Ever since the state banned hunting cougars and bears with hounds people only hunt raccoons. I only see walkers and redbones with hunters any more, except the bird hunters but I don't want a bird dog.
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Old 04-25-2013, 01:01 AM
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Also, ever since Logan humped her Kaia has despised collies. Even girl collies. Breedist.
That's okay, Gavroche hates boxers. Even girl ones lol.
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