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Old 04-24-2013, 08:27 PM
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I keep hashing this out and it's so hard to make it work in my head. :-/ What do I dooo!?!

The plan is to breed Kaia on her next season. I deeply regret not keeping one from last time. Especially after seeing how they matured. So her breeder and I are going to co-breed a second, very last litter. If things work out like we hope, the dog I keep will become my foundation because I learned from the last litter that I love this breed enough to stick with them long term and want to begin building my own line.

By then Strider will be 6. Kaia will be 4 when they're born. Depending on what is born I plan to keep pick bitch and my sister is getting pick dog since I won't make Strider live with another male.

That will put me at 3 zois. It should work out totally fine and awesome. Kaia isn't a bitchy bitch and gets along great with other girls. She goes and visits one of her daughters regularly and all.

Here's the dilemma part. I really need a guard/watch dog. There's a scary/dangerous domestic situation that will likely remain a problem my entire life. A few of you know the details. The person in question has shown they can navigate a yard and avoid cameras/motion sensors (not going to go in detail in public, but it was unnerving).

I'm not expecting the dog to run interference on intruders, but won't complain if it decides to. What I do want is a dog that will raise Cain if someone enters our yard and especially if they come into the house. I am still going to utilize surveillance type tools on my private property and take other safety measures.

One of the huge problems is this has me not sleeping at night. I just lay there thinking, what if he comes through the window right.... NOW. Or how about... NOW..... NOW... All. Night. Long. (thanks brain!) I feel like, if I had a dog that was hyper aware to things like that I could trust it enough to be able to relax in my own home, which will be huge when I can finally afford my own place because it will be just me and the kids at home at that point. The most likely scenario is to only have the 3 zois, work from home, and get the 4th when I move out.

So... how to make 4 dogs work? Does this even sound like a good idea? Luckily the three are borzois which are really easy. It seems like a lot of the guardian/watchdog breeds are higher maintenance though, but maybe that's just skewed perception.

I would really love a single dog in the household of sight hounds that is more into tracking and the tracking side of hunting, which it seems like a lot of the guarding/watching types are more suited for.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:31 PM
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I think if you can afford four dogs this is a great idea. If it isn't., maybe not. Is that an issue?

Also are you able to teach the zoi's to alert? Bandit alerts though he isn't tough looking so he doesn't really deter people on a physical aspect.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:04 PM
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I don't see why you couldn't have four dogs. Multiple dogs work well for me, just make sure you are matching temperaments and sexes properly. A lot of the guardy breeds are prone to SSA, I think carefully choosing the right breed/dog would be best. Maybe even an adult dog? Seems kind of pointless to get a puppy puppy in a few months...I don't know what the situation is, but I would assume right now is the most 'danger', and it would lessen as time goes on.

I do have to ask though, what happened with Katalin?
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:05 PM
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Four dogs, if they all get along and can exercise/coexist with relative ease, is not that bad. The main issue for us is care while we leave town, finding someone we trust with them and someone who'd willing to care for 4, can manage 4, and won't cost a fortune is hard. The second concern is we have two who hate each other, we have to rotate when not calm and supervised, we have to always be aware and that is exhausting. The last concern is cost of feed, malinois (like a guardian breed, I assume) eat a ton and it adds up financially.

We don't mind and are happy with four, we won't however have this many with rotations again.
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Can you not set up a security system attached to all doors/windows? We have one that beeps any time any window or door is opened (just a quick chirp). If we had it activated, we could have it set to raise heck if it was opened during certain hours or whatever. Short of cutting a hole in your roof, I would think that would provide some peace of mind.
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Can you not set up a security system attached to all doors/windows? We have one that beeps any time any window or door is opened (just a quick chirp). If we had it activated, we could have it set to raise heck if it was opened during certain hours or whatever. Short of cutting a hole in your roof, I would think that would provide some peace of mind.
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:45 PM
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We have a similar security system at work..every time a window/door is opened, it beeps. Of course,when it's fully activated, the alarm goes off and notifies the alarm company if someone doesn't enter a code.
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Security systems is part of our business, and I Don't know what happened, but I would question the security system, or camera system installation, properly done Casper the friendly Ghost couldn't float his shimmery butt through without getting caught. IE there should be no holes that anyone can figure out and sneak by when it's armed. 360 degree motions are fantastic in areas that have multiple angles and a regular motion won't work. Like mentioned sensors on every window and door, and glass breaks in the rooms with window incase they decide to come in that way, thus negating the regular door contact. Also a system with 2-way voice for domestic situations is the cats butt!

As for the cameras, again properly mounted, should have no way for anyone to get near them to vandalize, turn or wreck them without being seen. And with a proper surveillance system and security system a dog would be able to be an alert/protection dog that is kept close to you in the event that a person decides to go for broke and take his chances. As apposed to a dog that is in the yard and easily tampered with, poisoned, shot, let loose anything to put it out of commission.

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Old 04-24-2013, 11:01 PM
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Well, if you want a dog that will alert bark, you should get a collie. They're not really high maintenance. Just sayin'

Really, though, lots of people make 4 dogs work. I dogsat 8 dogs and had my two and Tango in the same house (so 11 dogs total) and it wasn't that bad. It took forever to feed and medicate everyone, but they could all go outside together (except Tango due to raptors) after the first several weeks. She had it set up so my three were in one room, her 4 oldest were in one room, and the 4 youngest were in one room. So her dogs were always kept in groups of 4 without any serious problems.

I think if you want to make it super easy, get a 4th dog that is roughly the same size as the zois. Then you don't have to worry about one dog being vastly bigger or smaller than the others, which can cause issues depending on the dogs.
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