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Old 04-05-2013, 04:39 PM
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The sniffer dogs my uncle trained for WA state were all really stable and friendly. It wasn't unusual for the dog to find something, sit next to the find (sitting was the trained cue to let the officer know it'd found something) and then happily let the perp with the drugs pat it on the head. He worked with labs though. His dogs all retired to homes with families and sometimes kids when they were done working too.
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:43 PM
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My personal experience has been that all military dog are unsafe. I can't speak for the civilian police dogs, but EVERY military mal & most GSDs ive met have bitten their handlers in a redirect. All have bitten other people (me a couple of times) in redirects. I would categorize them all as unsafe for the vast majority of owners.
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:48 PM
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This is interesting...I've seen detection dogs work at large city train stations, and also detection dogs for non-military/police work like bed bug and cancer detection dogs. Both groups have contained pretty "normal" appearing dogs of a variety of breeds, mainly shepherds, labs, and beagles.

But our local police department's narcotics detection dogs are SHARP. They're all Malinois or GSDs, and they are extremely intimidating. Observing them off-duty...if I saw a dog like that in a shelter, they'd get a red-flag to only go to a very experienced, active home with no children...if I'd feel comfortable adopting them out at all as non-working dogs.

But I think those dogs are trained in both detection and protection work. If I recall correctly, I saw one young female mal do a demo where she found a bag of marijuana before anyone could blink, then ran back and did some bitework in a flash. I imagine they're all trained like that.
I've had a number of people tell me, of various values of trustworthiness, that detection dogs are all crack heads for a tennis ball. It almost seems that detection dogs are more "drivey" and aroused than patrol dogs. They certainly have less control placed on them.

I've seen some Randy Hare videos for training detection dogs. It's cool training.
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:59 PM
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I know more dual purpose dogs than I do single purpose. Maybe it just depends on the area? I know of one dog that was at first tracking/apprehension only. They did eventually train him to do drug detection.

The other dog is a detection dog. He was trained to do both live and HR finds and search for drugs. I think his alert was different depending. I only met him once.

Though, most k9's I know are working at jails and prisons. They're dual purpose because their handlers aren't willing to work inside these places without a dog who WILL bite in case things get ugly in a cell.
Weird, it probably does depend on the area then. Most of our pd/sheriff's dogs are mostly single purpose.
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My personal experience has been that all military dog are unsafe. I can't speak for the civilian police dogs, but EVERY military mal & most GSDs ive met have bitten their handlers in a redirect. All have bitten other people (me a couple of times) in redirects. I would categorize them all as unsafe for the vast majority of owners.
I would argue that your definition of safety is vastly opinion based and far to broad.

My dogs have redirected on me and last week in Bitework Sloan got over excited and nipped Denis' stomach when held back, it's something we deal with and move on. To write them off as unstable or unsafe is rather short sighted.

Outside of working dogs I had a schnauzer nail me today at work when grabbed in pursuit of another dog, here we call that impulse control and bite inhibition, we don't really write off dogs with damning labels.
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I would argue that your definition of safety is vastly opinion based and far to broad.

My dogs have redirected on me and last week in Bitework Sloan got over excited and nipped Denis' stomach when held back, it's something we deal with and move on. To write them off as unstable or unsafe is rather short sighted.

Outside of working dogs I had a schnauzer nail me today at work when grabbed in pursuit of another dog, here we call that impulse control and bite inhibition, we don't really write off dogs with damning labels.
I stand by my opinion, military dogs are too dangerous for the vast majority of dog owners.
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The inference that they have potential for danger with mismanaged handlers is valid, to label a dog that redirects at some point for some reason as unsafe is incorrect and endangering.
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I've had a number of people tell me, of various values of trustworthiness, that detection dogs are all crack heads for a tennis ball. It almost seems that detection dogs are more "drivey" and aroused than patrol dogs. They certainly have less control placed on them.

I've seen some Randy Hare videos for training detection dogs. It's cool training.
That's definitely true. When my uncle would go evaluate prospects one of the biggest things they looked for was dogs with that kind of ball drive. Thunder was safe around kids... unless you threw a tennis ball into a crowd of small children. They'd be liable to get trampled.
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sounds the same to me
I was addressing the difference between plain unsafe and unsafe when mismanaged by the average dog handler. I don't disagree with the second statement, I find the first to be incorrect.
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