Police dogs trained in Holland

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Does anybody from you know how dogs are trained for police dog in Holland (KNPV)?
The training is a very long process from small parts that on the end fit all together. One year long it is only biting, aporting small pipes (bullets on the end) and training the dog to look up a wooden box in the forest, stay at it and bark until the handler is there. After about one year slowly the handler is starting with sit, down, stay, don’t take food from others, guards a bag and bite when the decoy come to close to the bag, jump until 2 meter high and weight, swimming over and picking up a object from the water, transport from the decoy and protecting the handler when the decoy start to fight with the handler, and more things. Does anyone from you saw this kind of trained dog?



 
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k9dogs said:
Does anybody from you know how dogs are trained for police dog in Holland (KNPV)?
The training is a very long process from small parts that on the end fit all together. One year long it is only biting, aporting small pipes (bullets on the end) and training the dog to look up a wooden box in the forest, stay at it and bark until the handler is there. After about one year slowly the handler is starting with sit, down, stay, don’t take food from others, guards a bag and bite when the decoy come to close to the bag, jump until 2 meter high and weight, swimming over and picking up a object from the water, transport from the decoy and protecting the handler when the decoy start to fight with the handler, and more things. Does anyone from you saw this kind of trained dog?





I have only seen demstrations put on by the RCMP. I have never owned nor do I ever wish to own a dog trained like that. I would be too nervous with the family! They are awesome to watch though.
 

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I have only seen demstrations put on by the RCMP. I have never owned nor do I ever wish to own a dog trained like that. I would be too nervous with the family! They are awesome to watch though.
Hi how are you? To the RCMP I also sold dogs, but they are only looking for German shepherds. They are not trained like in Holland but they are also good. The dogs that are trained in Holland are very social and in most cases not aggressive to strangers. The thing is when a dog is aggressive to strangers the dog is not good socialist or afraid. I think that 95% of the dogs are social and maybe 5% not. I understand that when people have a family that they are afraid that the dog bites serious to there children or them selves, but the dogs are very well trained and reacting on every command.
 

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Yep, those dogs are like machines.

Much safer to be around then most other family dogs.
 

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I've seen some excellent police dogs trained with operant and classical conditioning, at a demonstration by the police force. They would (on command) "hold" someone until their handler arrived, snatch up a gun off the ground and give it to their handler, show very convincing aggression on command, climb massive walls, detect drugs, knock down and "hold" a criminal. But when the handler said "all done" the dog just relaxed, I later saw it socialising with children and smaller dogs. I don't think they would be good as police dogs if they were unreliable and likely to bite for no reason.
 

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Does anybody from you know how dogs are trained for police dog in Holland (KNPV)?
The training is a very long process from small parts that on the end fit all together. One year long it is only biting, aporting small pipes (bullets on the end) and training the dog to look up a wooden box in the forest, stay at it and bark until the handler is there. After about one year slowly the handler is starting with sit, down, stay, don’t take food from others, guards a bag and bite when the decoy come to close to the bag, jump until 2 meter high and weight, swimming over and picking up a object from the water, transport from the decoy and protecting the handler when the decoy start to fight with the handler, and more things. Does anyone from you saw this kind of trained dog?
The police I worked with for a short period (who suprisingly use reward based methods) had heel,sit,down,stay, pick up anything they directed the dog to, hold a criminal, use scent to detect drugs/blood and show aggression on command by one year, each behaviour 99% reliable. Perhaps this is how they do it in Holland, but then why would they take so long? Then again, these handlers spend every hour of the day with these dogs, so maybe it is different there.
 

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Yep, those dogs are like machines.

Much safer to be around then most other family dogs.
Yes yiu are right about that. But a lot of people think that they are killer machines. The most dogs are social (95%)
 

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I've seen some excellent police dogs trained with operant and classical conditioning, at a demonstration by the police force. They would (on command) "hold" someone until their handler arrived, snatch up a gun off the ground and give it to their handler, show very convincing aggression on command, climb massive walls, detect drugs, knock down and "hold" a criminal. But when the handler said "all done" the dog just relaxed, I later saw it socialising with children and smaller dogs. I don't think they would be good as police dogs if they were unreliable and likely to bite for no reason.

Where that KNPV dogs? the rest you are totaly right.
 
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I am working on Personal Protection with Yukon and that is hard enough. So much to teach and so much for me to learn too.
 

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Most all Police dogs in the USA live at home with their handlers and family.
So they do also in Holland but the most have them in a kennel. Especially in the first year dogs for KNPV needs rest and not the whole time “NO YOU CAN NOT DO THIS OR THAT”. No presser at all.
 

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I am working on Personal Protection with Yukon and that is hard enough. So much to teach and so much for me to learn too.
How you do that with small children?
 
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How you do that with small children?

So far with the kids he is good, they are still hand feeding him and making him work for each kibble. I also have great babysitters/ Granma and grandpa! :D
 

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So far with the kids he is good, they are still hand feeding him and making him work for each kibble. I also have great babysitters/ Granma and grandpa! :D
You told me that he was biting your children, and he was biting you in your nose. and that it was not so good dog for the family.
 
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You told me that he was biting your children, and he was biting you in your nose. and that it was not so good dog for the family.

He was and I signed up with a behaviouralist and a trainer and he is no longer biting, the kids have to make him work for his food everyday though. If not he starts getting aggressive with them again. I also keep him on an extremely short leash when he is inside near the kids. He never has the ability to go to the kids, therefore he does not bite them. I also muzzle him the second his mouth touches something inapropriate and he goes into his crate for a time out. This is teaching him his place and what is appropriate. It is working, and he ahs improved alot. I actually posted his improvements in another thread, maybe you did not see it.
 

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