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Old 11-25-2013, 08:43 AM
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You should get a shikoku so I can live vicariously through you. Plus they're gorgeous and get along better with other animals and are more biddable than most other Japanese spitz breeds.



Oh I totally want one of those one day.... I think you're the one that suggested it, Romy LOL. So YES get one so we can know allllll about it and see lots of pictures!
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Old 11-25-2013, 03:57 PM
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I would worry about the Gordon Setter energy level. Maybe if you got one that was show line? Most of the Gordon's that I have come into contact with are working like and holy energy batman. I dogsat for an 8 year old show line Gordon who was a couch potato, but I don't know if that was age related or not. He was a very nice, chill dog. No guarding instinct though, and he loved everyone.
The Gordon Setters I know are not super high energy. They're active, but not crazy. I have a friend who always has 3, so I've known 4 or 5 of her girls.
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Old 11-25-2013, 05:03 PM
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Oh I totally want one of those one day.... I think you're the one that suggested it, Romy LOL. So YES get one so we can know allllll about it and see lots of pictures!
There's a decent chance I may end up with one as well. I've been corresponding with a breeder that's about a day's drive from here. It's just a matter of deciding when the right time is and saving up the $$$.
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:33 PM
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ETA: To bring it around to the OPs question, they do fit a lot of what you're looking for.

Their coat isn't long and fluffy, but it is dense, utilitarian, wash and wear for cold weather like an akita or shiba.

They are very much a one person/one family type of dog. They're very protective of their families. The shikoku gene pool is pretty small, and a lot of the shikoku breeders in Japan actively hunt deer and boar with their dogs.

The size might be the only off thing. They're about 20 inches at the shoulder, no idea what weight.

Hip and elbow dysplasia can occur, but breeders are pretty good about testing for it and it's pretty uncommon. Some dogs can have food allergies.

They are active, being boar hunting dogs. I haven't gotten to meet one in person yet, so can't give you a first hand account of my impression there. The breeder I talked to said 1-2 hours of daily exercise, which can including walking but that if you have access to a fenced yard that is helpful for letting them run and burn off their energy. She said that if they've gotten some outside stimulation that day, they're pretty mellow and layabout in the house.
For the most part they're not DA. She said if they do develop DA it's almost always SSA, and that tends to manifest in the males vs. the females.

For gordon setters, my cousin had a really rad one. He was like a golden retriever in a black and tan body, and super intelligent. He was just a good all around mellow farm dog. Honestly they're the only gun dog I'd consider at this point in my life.
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:06 PM
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I think an English Shepherd would be a good fit, or, similarly, maybe an Aussie.

A female ES could fall slightly under your size preference (I find most are 45-55 pounds, but it is not uncommon for them to be more or less), but a male would most likely be 60 pounds or more.

Very cold tolerant! Easy care, teflon coat. No need for pro grooming unless you want to have them blown out when they're blowing coat.

Overall a healthy breed. MDR1 is not terribly uncommon, but a good breeder should test parents. It's simple in the way that a dog either has it, or doesn't I would personally hold out for a breeder that tests hips (either OFA or PennHip) as that is another ailment in the breed. Some working breeders don't test, but a lot do. It also might be worth it to ask your breeder if there's any history of seizures - they should have a good understanding of their dogs' bloodlines and history.

English Shepherds tend to have an AWESOME off switch! Even Quinn, who tends to be a little higher energy than many, has always had a very natural off switch that I've been sure to nurture. Like any breed, bad habits can be formed, but I would say that if you're careful to maintain that off switch, it does tend to be a breed trait.

Most ESs tend to be slightly aloof - at least, a polite disinterest in strangers/preference for their people. I have met a couple friendly ones (Quinn is like this, too), but for the most part I think most of them are fairly "eh" about strangers. Even Quinn, who loves just about anyone, will bark very seriously if anyone tries to come into the house uninvited.

Living with cats also shouldn't be an issue, especially if you'd be getting a puppy.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:23 AM
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Honestly, I keep looking and reading about English Shepherds and they seem great. I like that they seem in-tune with their owners, versatile, and sound the alarm when people come on to the property.

Plus, they seem like a really fun partner.

I've been reading the old threads on ES, and some breeders websites and club websites, but are there any readings in particular that you recommend?
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:27 AM
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I'd message Sitstay and LostAndConfused, they both have awesome English Shepherds!

Lol just saw it was Sitstay's post that started that, on my phone. Nevertheless, my suggestion still stands. I've found it really helpful to talk to several owners of a breed to get a feel for it.
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Old 11-26-2013, 04:43 PM
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I'd message Sitstay and LostAndConfused, they both have awesome English Shepherds!

Lol just saw it was Sitstay's post that started that, on my phone. Nevertheless, my suggestion still stands. I've found it really helpful to talk to several owners of a breed to get a feel for it.
It would be great to even meet a couple ES, but I'm not sure how many I'll be able to find since I had never even heard of them until Chaz. Hmmn...
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This blog and in particular, this post made me fall in love with the ES, and research ensued from there
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This blog and in particular, this post made me fall in love with the ES, and research ensued from there
Thank you! Funny, when I looked at the 2013 litter page I thought the dogs looked familiar then I realized that I had seen their dogs on the English Shepherd Club page.
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